Comments for Missio Dei http://jonathanbrink.com Exploring God's Mission of Restoration and Reconciliation Sat, 17 May 2008 12:55:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on Iron Man by Adam http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/15/iron-man/#comment-2782 Adam Fri, 16 May 2008 08:27:50 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=767#comment-2782 Neither myself nor the six other people I saw it with thought it was anything more than mediocre. I thought the film failed to suspend my disbelief enough to avoid my noticeing all the plot holes. Perhaps there is something about this movie that just "plugs into" American culture more than Australian culture or something. Neither myself nor the six other people I saw it with thought it was anything more than mediocre. I thought the film failed to suspend my disbelief enough to avoid my noticeing all the plot holes. Perhaps there is something about this movie that just “plugs into” American culture more than Australian culture or something.

]]> Comment on Iron Man by b8zw29 http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/15/iron-man/#comment-2781 b8zw29 Thu, 15 May 2008 19:32:47 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=767#comment-2781 I"ve seen "Iron"Man" three times already, and it worked every time for. It's entertraining and very funny and I also agree that it shows the federal goverment's war mongering in its true, ugly light. I”ve seen “Iron”Man” three times already, and it worked
every time for. It’s entertraining and very funny and I also
agree that it shows the federal goverment’s war mongering
in its true, ugly light.

]]> Comment on Skilled Incompetence by Peggy http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/15/skilled-incompetence/#comment-2780 Peggy Thu, 15 May 2008 18:37:04 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=773#comment-2780 Love Chris Argyris since I studied his immaturity-maturity continuum theory years ago. He has the institutional church pegged as fostering immaturity, and this quote confirms it! Love Chris Argyris since I studied his immaturity-maturity continuum theory years ago. He has the institutional church pegged as fostering immaturity, and this quote confirms it!

]]> Comment on The Non-Religious Spiritual Affiliation by Jeromy http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/11/the-non-religious-spiritual-affiliation/#comment-2779 Jeromy Thu, 15 May 2008 04:24:08 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=746#comment-2779 The Essenes, Pharisees, Zealots, Sadducees and other groups tried to align Jesus with their (or their enemies) camp. Jesus didn't bite the bait. He instead aligned himself with his Daddy's mission—solely. I find it heart breaking that followers of Him have now created the very things he avoided. The Essenes, Pharisees, Zealots, Sadducees and other groups tried to align Jesus with their (or their enemies) camp. Jesus didn’t bite the bait. He instead aligned himself with his Daddy’s mission—solely.

I find it heart breaking that followers of Him have now created the very things he avoided.

]]> Comment on The Timelessness of Creation by Jeromy http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/13/the-timelessness-of-creation/#comment-2778 Jeromy Thu, 15 May 2008 03:40:33 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=760#comment-2778 Very insightful. Never thought of it this way before...the timelessness of nature. Perhaps the timelessness of nature is yet another example of God making all things new—constant restoration and rebirth. Death producing new life. I find it very cool that God's creation is ever renewing and recreating itself. I believe even this sheds some light into God's heart. Very insightful. Never thought of it this way before…the timelessness of nature. Perhaps the timelessness of nature is yet another example of God making all things new—constant restoration and rebirth. Death producing new life.

I find it very cool that God’s creation is ever renewing and recreating itself. I believe even this sheds some light into God’s heart.

]]> Comment on Baby Factory Churches by jonathanbrink http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/baby-factory-churches/#comment-2777 jonathanbrink Thu, 15 May 2008 00:16:54 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=769#comment-2777 Duncan, I agree. Bill, what I love is that Fitch is in the trenches doing it. I've said in previous posts that Jesus wouldn't have been a very good church planter because he spent way too much time with a small group of 12 men. Duncan, I agree.

Bill, what I love is that Fitch is in the trenches doing it. I’ve said in previous posts that Jesus wouldn’t have been a very good church planter because he spent way too much time with a small group of 12 men.

]]> Comment on Straight From The Horses Mouth by jonathanbrink http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-8/#comment-2776 jonathanbrink Thu, 15 May 2008 00:15:06 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=748#comment-2776 I have too and it seems to me that Bell's is the more restorative approach. If we really have freedom and are called to pursue mission then Paul's warning looks contextual to me. I leave Driscoll's observations to Mars Hill. I have too and it seems to me that Bell’s is the more restorative approach. If we really have freedom and are called to pursue mission then Paul’s warning looks contextual to me.

I leave Driscoll’s observations to Mars Hill.

]]> Comment on Baby Factory Churches by Bill Kinnon http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/baby-factory-churches/#comment-2775 Bill Kinnon Wed, 14 May 2008 22:13:08 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=769#comment-2775 Jonathan, This fits so well with <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/2008/05/emergingmissional-church-they-dont-have.html" rel="nofollow">this post from Dave Fitch.</a> Great post! Jonathan,
This fits so well with this post from Dave Fitch. Great post!

]]> Comment on Baby Factory Churches by duncanmcf http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/baby-factory-churches/#comment-2774 duncanmcf Wed, 14 May 2008 21:54:18 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=769#comment-2774 Good post. I think we think the mission of the church is growth, whereas actually it's to make disciples. Good post. I think we think the mission of the church is growth, whereas actually it’s to make disciples.

]]> Comment on Straight From The Horses Mouth by duncanmcf http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-8/#comment-2773 duncanmcf Wed, 14 May 2008 21:52:24 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=748#comment-2773 Jonathan I listen to Driscoll and I listen to Bell - both seem to want to search the bible on this issue and both come out with totally different conclusions. I really want to have a black and white answer but I don't think it's there. I have wrestled with 1 Tim 2 and 3 a lot, but I just don't know what it says. Jonathan I listen to Driscoll and I listen to Bell - both seem to want to search the bible on this issue and both come out with totally different conclusions. I really want to have a black and white answer but I don’t think it’s there. I have wrestled with 1 Tim 2 and 3 a lot, but I just don’t know what it says.

]]> Comment on Baby Factory Churches by Tyler http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/baby-factory-churches/#comment-2772 Tyler Wed, 14 May 2008 19:48:24 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=769#comment-2772 i think you are spot on here man. totally agree. being concerned about numbers or money always hurts a churches ability to provide a means towards spiritual growth. i think you are spot on here man. totally agree. being concerned about numbers or money always hurts a churches ability to provide a means towards spiritual growth.

]]> Comment on Baby Factory Churches by Jim http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/baby-factory-churches/#comment-2771 Jim Wed, 14 May 2008 18:16:39 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=769#comment-2771 The modern (american) church paradigm requires new blood on a regular basis. Bottom line, you gotta pay for stuff, and so you need people who give. As you get people in the door, they clamor for services, so you need more money. It reminds of the the 'debt as money' cycle that drives western consumerism. The modern (american) church paradigm requires new blood on a regular basis. Bottom line, you gotta pay for stuff, and so you need people who give. As you get people in the door, they clamor for services, so you need more money.
It reminds of the the ‘debt as money’ cycle that drives western consumerism.

]]> Comment on Straight From The Horses Mouth by jonathanbrink http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-8/#comment-2770 jonathanbrink Wed, 14 May 2008 17:49:18 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=748#comment-2770 Peggy, I guess when all is said and done, I just don't get the concern. I look at the women in my life and see tremendous value in their voice and opinion. But I came from a strong line of women. Some of the best voices I have ever worked with have been women. Not that it's a theological framework but I think the business world got this a long time ago. The barriers I have always seen have been based in fear much more than a concern for Biblical purity. To be honest I think men are afraid that you women are going to show us up. Peggy, I guess when all is said and done, I just don’t get the concern. I look at the women in my life and see tremendous value in their voice and opinion. But I came from a strong line of women. Some of the best voices I have ever worked with have been women. Not that it’s a theological framework but I think the business world got this a long time ago. The barriers I have always seen have been based in fear much more than a concern for Biblical purity.

To be honest I think men are afraid that you women are going to show us up.

]]> Comment on Straight From The Horses Mouth by jonathanbrink http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-8/#comment-2769 jonathanbrink Wed, 14 May 2008 17:43:27 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=748#comment-2769 Leya, the podcast is his interview with Rose Swedman. It's interesting. Rob has wrestled with and chosen that women should lead. I got to sit in on a discussion with the elders at Mars Hill about a year and a half ago and heard why. They went through a lot of heat for it but maintained it was worth it. Leya, the podcast is his interview with Rose Swedman. It’s interesting. Rob has wrestled with and chosen that women should lead. I got to sit in on a discussion with the elders at Mars Hill about a year and a half ago and heard why. They went through a lot of heat for it but maintained it was worth it.

]]> Comment on Straight From The Horses Mouth by Peggy http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-8/#comment-2768 Peggy Wed, 14 May 2008 17:42:47 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=748#comment-2768 Jonathan, Had to listen to the podcast and them write a post at my blog before coming back to comment.... ...because that could have been a quote from me at age 17 challenging the ruling that I could not lead a high school Bible study because there would be boys older than 13.... Funny, really, only from the other side, where men and women serve the Body of Christ together, as they Spirit moves and gifts them. Jonathan,

Had to listen to the podcast and them write a post at my blog before coming back to comment….

…because that could have been a quote from me at age 17 challenging the ruling that I could not lead a high school Bible study because there would be boys older than 13….

Funny, really, only from the other side, where men and women serve the Body of Christ together, as they Spirit moves and gifts them.

]]> Comment on Straight From The Horses Mouth by Leya http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-8/#comment-2767 Leya Wed, 14 May 2008 16:38:30 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=748#comment-2767 Unfortunately I'm at work so I can't listen to the whole podcast. That's a great quote from Bell though. I'm guessing he's ok with women in ministry? Unfortunately I’m at work so I can’t listen to the whole podcast. That’s a great quote from Bell though. I’m guessing he’s ok with women in ministry?

]]> Comment on The Non-Religious Spiritual Affiliation by jonathanbrink http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/11/the-non-religious-spiritual-affiliation/#comment-2766 jonathanbrink Wed, 14 May 2008 15:45:07 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=746#comment-2766 Jim, no worries. I found Tolle to have some basic thoughts that were not new but very important. I chose to read the book from a perspective of what can I learn and filter. I think Greg Boyd nailed some of my concerns with his work. http://gregboyd.blogspot.com/2008/04/echhart-tolles-new-earth-book-review.html I would add that I found Tolle's version of unity with God to be entirely unrelational. My intent with this post was not to endorse Tolle but to call out something unique about how he presented himself. Jim, no worries. I found Tolle to have some basic thoughts that were not new but very important. I chose to read the book from a perspective of what can I learn and filter.

I think Greg Boyd nailed some of my concerns with his work.

http://gregboyd.blogspot.com/2008/04/echhart-tolles-new-earth-book-review.html

I would add that I found Tolle’s version of unity with God to be entirely unrelational.

My intent with this post was not to endorse Tolle but to call out something unique about how he presented himself.

]]> Comment on Straight From The Horses Mouth by jonathanbrink http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-8/#comment-2765 jonathanbrink Wed, 14 May 2008 15:44:59 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=748#comment-2765 Rick, I thought it was a very funny, observational comment about the way we treat women in ministry. Rick, I thought it was a very funny, observational comment about the way we treat women in ministry.

]]> Comment on Straight From The Horses Mouth by Rick http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/14/straight-from-the-horses-mouth-8/#comment-2764 Rick Wed, 14 May 2008 15:36:01 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=748#comment-2764 Surely you're not commending Bell's comment as good argumentation? Surely you’re not commending Bell’s comment as good argumentation?

]]> Comment on The Non-Religious Spiritual Affiliation by Jim http://jonathanbrink.com/2008/05/11/the-non-religious-spiritual-affiliation/#comment-2763 Jim Wed, 14 May 2008 15:06:33 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.wordpress.com/?p=746#comment-2763 Jonathan, you knew I'd have to say something since you brought up Tolle. :) You know this already bro, but I'll say for the record that I couldn't continue reading Power of Now after Tolle redefined the "true" meaning of some of Christ's parables, to be in line with his own thesis. I couldn't help but be disgusted. I was surprised by my reaction. Righteous indignation? I dunno, but I couldn't get past that, regardless. Cheers! Jonathan, you knew I’d have to say something since you brought up Tolle. :)
You know this already bro, but I’ll say for the record that I couldn’t continue reading Power of Now after Tolle redefined the “true” meaning of some of Christ’s parables, to be in line with his own thesis. I couldn’t help but be disgusted. I was surprised by my reaction.
Righteous indignation?
I dunno, but I couldn’t get past that, regardless.

Cheers!

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