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		<title>Supposed Conflicting Ideas In Rob Bell</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The dust up over Rob Bell&#8217;s new book is outstanding.  Lots of great dialog, even when it gets nasty.  We need these kinds of conversations. To give you context, Jason Boyett gives a great summary of the conflict. I appreciate Jason&#8217;s comment when he says: &#8220;There is no meaner, more hateful person on Earth than a Christian who suspects you ...]]></description>
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<p>The dust up over Rob Bell&#8217;s new book is outstanding.  Lots of great dialog, even when it gets nasty.  We need these kinds of conversations.</p>
<p>To give you context, Jason Boyett gives a great <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/omeoflittlefaith/2011/02/thoughts-rob-bell.html" target="_blank">summary</a> of the conflict. I appreciate Jason&#8217;s comment when he says:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;There is no meaner, more hateful person on Earth than a Christian who suspects you have gotten your theology wrong.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I have yet to receive my advanced review copy so I can&#8217;t really weigh in yet, but I will do so very quickly when it comes.</p>
<p>But after reading some of the comments, I was imagining an idea. Let&#8217;s assume Rob is a universalist.  He&#8217;s standing before God, ready to face the reality of what many call the final judgment. Yet he believes that God is big enough to restore all of reality and all of creation.  He&#8217;s not really a universalist in the traditional sense, that he believes God just ignores suffering and lets everyone off the hook.  He believes that the work of Jesus on the cross reveals the reality of grace for everyone, even when they don&#8217;t see it or accept it.  It&#8217;s true because God established grace before time.</p>
<p>In other words, he holds conflicting ideas that are not necessarily orthodox in today&#8217;s evangelical world.  He holds an emergent view of restoration but believes in the final judgment. He takes the risk to believe God will restore it all.</p>
<p>What will God do with him?  Is believing something that a specific community deems unorthodox or even heretical grounds for missing out on life?</p>
<p>What say you?</p>
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		<title>Straight From The Horses Mouth</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[“ONE thing, and only ONE thing is necessary for Christian life, righteousness…and freedom.” Martin Luther Wait….Isn’t that two things?  Leave it to Luther to throw us for a mental loop.]]></description>
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<p>“ONE thing, and only ONE thing is necessary for Christian life, righteousness…and freedom.” Martin Luther</p>
<p>Wait….Isn’t that two things?  Leave it to Luther to throw us for a mental loop.</p>
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		<title>Piper’s God</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel sorry for Piper. If you’ve been anywhere near a blog in the last couple of days you probably couldn’t go two or three clicks before running into something about John Piper’s now infamous post on the ECLA’s “Consideration: Proposed Social Statement on Human Sexuality.”  Piper concluded that the tornado than ran through the city was in his own ...]]></description>
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<p>I feel sorry for Piper.</p>
<p>If you’ve been anywhere near a blog in the last couple of days you  probably couldn’t go two or three clicks before running into something  about John Piper’s now infamous <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/1965_the_tornado_the_lutherans_and_homosexuality/" target="_blank">post</a> on the ECLA’s “<a href="http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/Social-Issues/Social-Statements-in-Process/JTF-Human-Sexuality/Proposed-Social-Statement.aspx" target="_blank">Consideration:  Proposed Social Statement on Human Sexuality</a>.”  Piper concluded  that the tornado than ran through the city was in his own words.</p>
<blockquote><p>“The tornado in Minneapolis was a gentle but firm warning  to the ELCA and all of us: Turn from the approval of sin. Turn from the  promotion of behaviors that lead to destruction. Reaffirm the great  Lutheran heritage of allegiance to the truth and authority of Scripture.  Turn back from distorting the grace of God into sensuality. Rejoice in  the pardon of the cross of Christ and its power to transform left and  right wing sinners.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Many have offered great responses.  Adam Walker Cleaveland wrote, <a title="Pomomusings » John Piper Contributes to Culture  of Fear" href="http://pomomusings.com/2009/08/20/john-piper/" target="_blank">John Piper  Contributes to Culture of Fear.</a> Drew Tatusko wrote, <a href="http://notes-from-offcenter.com/2009/08/20/the-tornado-to-stop-the-gays/" target="_blank">The  Tornado To Stop Gays</a>. Jake Bouma offered a <a href="http://www.jakebouma.com/2009/08/20/responses-to-approval-of-%E2%80%9Chuman-sexuality-gift-trust%E2%80%9D/" target="_blank">large  list of responses</a> in the press and others in the religious world to  the approval of the statement. But my absolute favorite was Jenell  Paris’ <a href="http://jenellparis.blogspot.com/2009/08/toddler-discharge-and-humidity-john.html" target="_blank">The  Toddler, The Discharge, and The Humidity</a>.  Jenell writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Wow.  Today the <a href="http://jenellparis.blogspot.com/2009/08/www.weather.com" target="_blank">weather  in Grantham, PA </a>is “82 degrees, feels like 88.” The humidity is 73%.  God is speaking to us, too, and he preordained me to interpret today’s  weather for the residents of Grantham, and perhaps even Mechanicsburg,  our surrounding suburb. My spirit is unclear regarding Camp Hill or the  city of Harrisburg, so I don’t think the prophecy extends that far.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The point has been well made already.  John took it too far in his  desire to extend a theology that contributes to fear.  I can easily see  this becoming the butt of a joke for a long time.  Any time something  negative happens I can see someone saying, “It was a gentle but firm  warning to the (insert name of party) to turn from sin.”</p>
<p>But believe it or not that’s not what this point is about.  As I was  watching the whole thing unfold, I couldn’t help but feel sorry for John  Piper.  His cards were now out on the table. <strong> If his response  did anything it was to give us a glimpse of Piper’s image of God.  And  what is sad to me is that is the God Piper lives with, one who is always  ready to strike the moment John does something wrong.</strong> In  contributing to a culture of fear, Piper has inadvertently revealed the  culture he himself lives in.</p>
<p>Can you image how that feels?</p>
<p><strong>PS</strong>: <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/tonyjones/2009/08/who-will-call-out-john-piper.html" target="_blank">Tony  Jones</a> offers a compelling question.  Who in the Evangelical  intelligensia will call out Piper for his remarks?  It’s a serious  question that suggests an interesting bias.  But the real juice is found  in the comments. Many question why God would send Jesus and then get  angry all over again.  Brilliant observation. One guy named R. Jay  Pearson says,</p>
<blockquote><p>QUESTION: Exactly what kind of “god” comes down to the  world, becomes human, offers himself as a sacrifice for all humankind’s  sins, but then turns around and uses cancer and other events as  punishment for sins he supposedly had already died for?</p>
<p>ANSWER:  A “god” of human invention and human imagination.</p></blockquote>
<p>What’s ironic about this statement is that it’s so easy to create an  imaginative version of God and become subject to that version.  We need  God to be angry so we can be angry at the world around us.</p>
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		<title>Still Searching</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian McLaren recently quoted a friend on his blog and said, “The kingdom of God is always at hand – but it’s never in hand.”  I love that.  There’s this quality about the Kingdom of God that is always present in our lives but is impossible to control.  To grasp for it it to reduce it to something that looks ...]]></description>
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<p>Brian McLaren recently <a href="http://bit.ly/U6Kmk" target="_blank">quoted</a> a friend on his blog and said, “The kingdom of God is always at hand –  but it’s never in hand.”  I love that.  There’s this quality about the  Kingdom of God that is always present in our lives but is impossible to  control.  To grasp for it it to reduce it to something that looks like  us.</p>
<p>And then a friend of mine, Jim wrote the following about Brian’s  post.  He said, “Wow! That hit the spot with what I’ve been wrestling  with today. Leaves me still searching for answers, but I loved his  response. Thanks!”</p>
<p>The Kingdom of God is like that.  It leaves us still searching.  The  tension of following Jesus is that we can never fully grasp it in a way  that we can control it.  It leaves us searching for more.  But maybe  that is a good thing.  I find that the things I am completely satisfied  in leave me ultimately wanting.  The Kingdom of God always leaves me  wanting more.</p>
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		<title>Violent Displeasure</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a friend who is very self-destructive.  And I know enough about our own brokenness to understand why.  But some times his acts are so self-destructive that they boggle my mind.  And then Peter Rollins went and offered an interesting take on an old movie, The Bridges of Madison County. And in it he mentioned the quote from Nietzsche. ...]]></description>
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<p>I have a friend who is very self-destructive.  And I know enough  about our own brokenness to understand why.  But some times his acts are  so self-destructive that they boggle my mind.  And then Peter Rollins  went and offered an <a href="http://peterrollins.net/blog/?p=340" target="_blank">interesting take</a> on an  old movie, The Bridges of Madison County. And in it he mentioned the  quote from Nietzsche.</p>
<blockquote><p>“we still prefer a more violent displeasure to a weak  pleasure.” Nietzsche</p></blockquote>
<p>I can’t help but see this in my friend and in the world.  But here’s  why.  It is so easy to reach a state of numb complacency or even  self-hatred for what we have become that we must resort to a violent  displeasure to wake us up.  A weak pleasure just won’t do it. Violence  can then feed us even as it destroys us.  An in a very strange way the  very act that is design to destroy us can often be the very act that  saves us too.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Bono &#8211; Quote of the Day</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>“Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/speakers/view/id/59" target="_blank">Bono </a></p>
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