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Doubts About Grace

Yesterday I had a very intense conversation with a good friend about hell.  Not the location but the state.  You see my friend had fallen into hell, grasping to the last shred of evidence that she was worth it, yet just as willing to give in to the reality that she wasn’t.  She could understand the idea that God loved her, but she couldn’t grasp the idea of loving herself.  There was just too much evidence swirling in her brain, reminding her of her failures.  It was one of the hard conversations that reminded me how self-destructive we can be.  But it also reminded me that much of our conversations regarding hell are just so off the mark.

I firmly hold that the problem we’re all wrestling with is very simple.  How could God love me when I’ve done that?  But yesterday reminded me that we’re also wrestling with the idea of, “How could I love myself when I’ve done that?” It’s so easy to keep a ledger on ourselves, keeping track of each little tit and tittle that we’ve done, always ready to pull the book out and say, “Yep, you really blew that one!”  We’re the judge, jury and executioner with relentless punity.

The problem I have with our historical understanding of hell is that although the verses exists on it, and Jesus does talk about it, the very idea of it seems to contradict the intent of God throughout the story.  In other words, from a macro level, hell (in our current evangelical construct) contradicts the establishment of grace (both before time and at the cross).  God spends thousands of years setting up the nation of Israel in order to reveal the validity of grace as how things operate.  Why would God suddenly forget that grace at the moment of divine judgment?

In other words,  could the problem be our doubt about grace?  We just don’t buy it.  Because if God actually acted in accordance with grace, everyone would get in. Not because there isn’t justice in grace, but because justice is defined by it.  Real love is the capacity to overcome the negative judgment we make in the midst of the worst.  Real love is the capacity to embody the belief of the true worth even to the enemy.  And if grace is true, the heaven (or the Kingdom of God) would be filled with all the people we don’t really like.  And from this side of life that could easily be seen as hell.

So what if the final judgment is not Jesus condemning the sheep and the goats to eternal separation, but instead Jesus giving humanity it’s wish.  Jesus never judges the two.  He simply separates them based on who they think they already are.  And he uses their own evidence they’re holding onto.  And in doing so, they miss what really defines them, which is God. They’re unwilling to let go of their ledger.

I’ve come to really believe that the problem isn’t an angry God, bent on establishing a punitive justice.  That God is dead to me.  I’ve come to see a God that is bent on establishing a deep sense of grace that makes me wildly uncomfortable.  Because if grace is really true, if it’s really the defining structure of the universe, then I’ve got to let go of my own ledger.

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Jonathan BrinkI am an business development and communications consultant. I am also the senior editor and publisher for Civitas Press. I recently published, Discovering The God Imagination: Reconstructing A Whole, New Christianity. (Civitas, 2011)View all posts by Jonathan Brink →

  • David

    Jonathan this is GREAT!u00a0 Yes, absolutely we need to let go of our ledgers.u00a0 I agree 100%.u00a0 nnI also however hold to a God who judges as well.u00a0 If you look at the youngu00a0man (assume he was young)u00a0who lifted his arm to steady the Ark of the Covenantu00a0to keep it from falling off the road,u00a0 we read he was killed for his efforts.u00a0 Why ?u00a0 Iu00a0believe it was because he did not take God atu00a0His Word and suffered the results.u00a0 nnWhat you said above makes all kinds of sense to me, and I assume to lots of folks, but just maybe we don’t understand Godsu00a0sense of judgement…..It is a mystery at times….nnJust as Jesus very words when speaks about condemnation when talking to the religious foks in Matt 12:34-37.u00a0 I must admit that vers 37 is a bit scary….!nnSorry to beu00a0bringing up Scripture as you noted there are words that Jesus speaks that support judgement and I appreciate your balanced approach here.u00a0 I don’t see that often.u00a0 nnI don’t see God as angery either, or bent towards punishment.u00a0 There is however just too muchu00a0evidence for judgement, and not only in words, but in the very acts of God & Jesus as well.u00a0 I hold to and believe there will be an accountabilityu00a0designed by God and carried out.u00a0 u00a0nnI think just as we don’t get the picture of Grace we don’t get the picture of judgement either.u00a0 I think they are both there.u00a0 But certanly God isn’t santa clause making a list and checking it twice to see who’s naughty and nice.u00a0 It’s not about what we do so much as who we are linked up with and what comes out of that link.u00a0 nnYou do bring up an interesting point and i think it was outlined in your book as I recall that the seperation of the goats and sheep is a judgement call we bring on ourselves.u00a0 It juts may be as we believe in our hearts ……who knows for sure ?u00a0 nnReally liked this post….!

    • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

      David, I think I’ve said this before but feel its appropriate to say again.u00a0 I do believe God judges because God already has (Gen 1).u00a0 The problem from my perspective is that we haveu00a0 a selective sense of understanding God’s end judgment in light of God’s original judgment. And each of those verses you keep trying to to defend must be seen in light of God’s overall actions. They cannot be exclusive of each other.nnIt’s also important to say that the times judgment and condemnation sticks out it’s in light of our religious construct, not belief. Jesus was highly condemning of the validation from religion.

      • David

        I agreeu00a0that Jesus was condemning of validation from religion.u00a0 Still holds true !u00a0 nnVery interesting issue on the selective understanding of judgement in light of God’s orginal judgement and His overall actions in Scripture especiallyu00a0when compaired with the purpose of restoration.u00a0u00a0 Need to think about this more.u00a0

    • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

      And thank you for your kind words.

  • Anonymous

    I have to chuckle to myself each time I hear some legal leaning evangelical or fundamentalist level the charge of easy believism. *Easy Believism*… it is not easy to believe in grace; on the contrary one can only believe in grace with uncommon faith!

  • Anonymous

    I have to chuckle to myself each time I hear some legal leaning evangelical or fundamentalist level the charge of easy believism. *Easy Believism*… it is not easy to believe in grace; on the contrary one can only believe in grace with uncommon faith!

    • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

      Joe, just curious how you pulled “easy believism” out of this post?n

      • Anonymous

        Jonathan, In my view they are inextricably linked. It comes down to faith/belief. The example you used in your post… your friend found/placed herself in hell based upon what she believed/believesu00a0to be true. The question then is what is the reality? What God says is true or what she believes? In her current situation, life, what she believes becomes the reality she experiences. But, in eternal terms what God says is really the truth.nnSo then, who is sovereign? God or her? Will God allow her to experience her reality forever? If he does, and if he isu00a0omniscient, then he is not sovereign. Especially if one accepts the fact that out of billions very few will believe. It doesn’t really take God off the hook and shift the responsibility to humans because why did he create the *very good* world knowing that the multitudes will choose hell?nnAccording to the Calvinists… Arminians that believe in choice are universalists by virture of believing in universal atonement. If there is universal atonement, and I believe there is then, without universal salvation God becomesu00a0arbitraryu00a0and capricious. Even though he makes the initial declaration *very good*… if people can believe it or not God is not sovereign. It makes a lot more sense to believe that the *hell’s* that people create are for a larger eternal purpose that we perhaps do not yet understand.

  • Anonymous

    I have to chuckle to myself each time I hear some legal leaning evangelical or fundamentalist level the charge of easy believism. *Easy Believism*… it is not easy to believe in grace; on the contrary one can only believe in grace with uncommon faith!

  • Anonymous

    I have to chuckle to myself each time I hear some legal leaning evangelical or fundamentalist level the charge of easy believism. *Easy Believism*… it is not easy to believe in grace; on the contrary one can only believe in grace with uncommon faith!

  • Anonymous

    I have to chuckle to myself each time I hear some legal leaning evangelical or fundamentalist level the charge of easy believism. *Easy Believism*… it is not easy to believe in grace; on the contrary one can only believe in grace with uncommon faith!

  • Anonymous

    I wrestle with the same contradiction (or what seems to be).u00a0 i had a similar discussion a while back and my friend flat out asked me, “How can a loving God, who offers this unlimited grace you talk about, condemn anyone to Hell?”u00a0 I dreaded answering him because i hate these discussions and have grown bored with the “trendiness” of Hell.u00a0 I paused for a few seconds and then it hit me.u00a0 I had a friend in high school tat grew up in a “perfect”, loving family.u00a0 From all practical purposes, his parents raised him to have a great life and make the best choices.u00a0 For whatever reason, he got into drugs and ended up killing himself.u00a0 At the funeral, his dad came up to me with tears in his eyes.u00a0 He told me that several times, his son asked him for money and a place to stay.u00a0 He could never allow him, because he brought drugs into the house and would never agree to get clean and It became dangerous for his family.u00a0 He begged him to get help, but he refused.u00a0 Then he said something to me that I’ll never forget, “Do you think I hated him?”u00a0 Of course, i said no.u00a0 He wept and said, “I never stopped loving him for a second.u00a0 he was my baby and I would have done anything to get him clean, but he wouldn’t listen”.u00a0 I told my friend that story and he said, “So, God is like a loving father and people that go to Hell are like the son?”u00a0 “I guess.u00a0 That’s my best answer.” u00a0 u00a0 u00a0 u00a0 u00a0

    • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

      I get that story.u00a0 It rings true.u00a0 And as much as I don’t like the idea of hell, that’s the only option that it exists for me.

      • David

        Jonathan so if I understand then, you do, in spite of the issue of not liking it, think thereu00a0is a type of hell and people sort of make a choice to accept that reality ?u00a0 u00a0

        • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

          David, my contention has never been, “there is no hell.”u00a0 My contention is how people get there and what it is.u00a0 When we release it from being a permanent state of condemnation from not accepting Jesus in this life, it can become what I think it really is, which is the “state” of condemnation we create for ourselves when we reject God’s original judgment of good.u00a0 Neither God nor Jesus ever send us there.u00a0 We do.u00a0 But u2013 and this is a huge but for me u2013 it’s not eternal separation. The gates are ALWAYS open. nnSo my contention is not against the idea being there, but in our historical understanding of how people get there: because they didn’t accept Jesus in this life.u00a0 That very notion is a works to get in.u00a0 I think everyone is already in the Kingdom of God.u00a0 They just don’t know it.u00a0 To give anyone that much power over the cosmos is ludicrous.

          • David

            I’m beginning to understand your position a bit more.u00a0 Not sure I agree with it allu00a0or even understand it.u00a0 Certanily agree with the issue that God’s kingdom is all of the cosmos and all peoples everywhere.u00a0 So yes, from that standpoint, God’s is even in hell sort of. nnI guess I struggle with what scripture talks about hell as a place and smoke riasing up forever, and the lake of fire, and the nashing of teeth, the worm and such.u00a0 Those give us a grim picture.u00a0 Now I know some of that may be just a word picture of being seperated from God I’m not sure.u00a0 So yah, I struggle with itu00a0Jonathan.u00a0u00a0I also know we can’t know everything about heaven & hell either.u00a0 It’s just not there in scripture.u00a0 nnSo taking your perspective I understand how you may be close to thinking asu00a0some may discribe as universalist. nnWish I knew for sure one way or the other.u00a0 Thanks for your perspective.u00a0 It’s refreshing to me and also provides hope.u00a0 So it’s not lost on me.u00a0 I appreciate your blog more than you know.u00a0

          • Anonymous

            David, The problem with what you say is that there is *no* word in Greek or Hebrew that translates into hell. All of what you mention… lake of fire, worm dies not, etc, when looked at in the Midrashic context of where they appear do not speak of eternal punishment. In fact, there is no first century concept of eternal torturous punishment. That it is a concept that was developed over the years in church doctrine and greatly enhanced by Dante. Theu00a0medieval Popes used eternal burning as a fund-raising tactic.u00a0u00a0

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