Comments on: Are We Afraid Of Our Freedom

By: Joe Machuta

Joe Machuta — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:06:00 +0000

Aren’t you just quoting classic orthodox opinions on the matter. There was at least one eternal human… Melchizedek. We have many rulings by the church dogma on such things as the pre-existence of souls etc. However there are passages of the bible that make the party line not quite so sure.

By: Jonathan Brink

Jonathan Brink — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 01:49:00 +0000

Daniel, the implied term I would use to describe God is Kairos, which is a distinction of outside of time. Time is only necessary for us to understand our reality.

By: Jonathan Brink

Jonathan Brink — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 01:48:00 +0000

Daniel, I think only those who “do what they will” can answer that. To me the kingdom of God begins with the law of love. This is the defining law. Its the only one that is really needed. Everything else is an attempt to parse it.nnSo then how do I think God sees anyone living in that construct. Probably with the same concern that God always does. When it hurts the person, God is grieved.nn

By: Daniel

Daniel — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:48:00 +0000

Jonathan…nnIn light of your post here, I am curious as to how you would view someone like Aleister Crowley, and the message he proclaimed…nn”Do what thou will is the whole of the law” was the essence of his entire teaching. nnDo you think he took his “freedom” too far? Do you think God looks upon a life that embraces that kind of “freedom” as a reflection of his love and grace…?nn

By: Daniel

Daniel — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:43:00 +0000

Though we are created in the image of God, we are not “just like God”. There is such a vast difference between the two concepts…nnNor are we “eternal”, simply because we will continue on into eternity… When we say that God is “eternal”, we mean that He has no beginning, and no end, (do we not)?nnBut all of us had a beginning. We are created beings. He is not. Our eternal state is subject to His will, His eternal state is subject to no one. nnYou are in the world, but not as Jesus was in the world… Did you come down from heaven, and enter from eternity into history? Are we God in the flesh, like Him?nnnn

By: Daniel

Daniel — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:43:00 +0000

By: David

David — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:36:00 +0000

I sure hope not.

By: Jonathan Brink

Jonathan Brink — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:43:00 +0000

I like to say that we hold onto two categories because we secretly want God to punish our enemies.

By: David

David — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:37:00 +0000

Jonathan, I’ve been thinking about this issue for the last couple of days. I’ve come to the conclusion that some folks are afraid of the freedom we have in Jesus. That we are more than comfortable with a certain theology or perspective and hold to views rather than explore other possibilities.nnI was in a fruitless discussion with some of the Elders and Pastor of my Church on the sunject of Gods control and soverignity and their perspective on Limited Atonement. Almost had to laugh at one point because it seemed so silly but it was extremely sad. Guess I should have know better than to voice my thoughts. Oh well…….

By: David

David — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:22:00 +0000

Your probably right. I do think we err on the caution side too much of the time. Probably why we don’t live life to the fullest even. For Christ Followers there is no law as such but only to Love God and people. doesn’t that take care of any other law be it civil or otherwise. So let freedom ring ! I think we need to explore more and more….