Comments on: Did God Fail? http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=did-god-fail Business Development & Communications Tue, 15 May 2012 08:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Marian http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-2335 Marian Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:27:00 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-2335 So let me jump in Kim and Jonathan. Been having that very conversation with a fellow coach this morning. For me I have to separate the local structure from the church over all. When I shared my heart cry for raising up within the church, healed, intentional leaders who will go out an make a difference , he replied that often that is done outside the church structure. I think that's where we get hung up. It has been my biggest place of suffering in the church. As he encouraged me, I found myself believing again that our heart cry can be carried out but we are too confined in our thinking as to how! We must create our own community or tribe from within and outside our church body and use our influence to create the reality we want. Maybe we have it backwards. If the church structure needs to change, maybe we should bring true church into the church by modeling it from the outside instead of expecting the structure to be the model. We are the church! nnAs you say, just because we perceive something doesn't make it true. Maybe we need to change our perception! n So let me jump in Kim and Jonathan. Been having that very conversation with a fellow coach this morning. For me I have to separate the local structure from the church over all. When I shared my heart cry for raising up within the church, healed, intentional leaders who will go out an make a difference , he replied that often that is done outside the church structure. I think that’s where we get hung up. It has been my biggest place of suffering in the church. As he encouraged me, I found myself believing again that our heart cry can be carried out but we are too confined in our thinking as to how! We must create our own community or tribe from within and outside our church body and use our influence to create the reality we want. Maybe we have it backwards. If the church structure needs to change, maybe we should bring true church into the church by modeling it from the outside instead of expecting the structure to be the model. We are the church! nnAs you say, just because we perceive something doesn’t make it true. Maybe we need to change our perception! n

]]> By: Jonathan Brink http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-2127 Jonathan Brink Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:09:00 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-2127 Kim, I'm not so sure I agree with Bass' assertion. That's kind of an overstatement to be honest. But at the same time, I don't doubt that it our current models lead to complacency. Kim, I’m not so sure I agree with Bass’ assertion. That’s kind of an overstatement to be honest. But at the same time, I don’t doubt that it our current models lead to complacency.

]]> By: Jonathan Brink http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-880 Jonathan Brink Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:09:11 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-880 Kim, I'm not so sure I agree with Bass' assertion. That's kind of an overstatement to be honest. But at the same time, I don't doubt that it our current models lead to complacency. Kim, I'm not so sure I agree with Bass' assertion. That's kind of an overstatement to be honest. But at the same time, I don't doubt that it our current models lead to complacency.

]]> By: Jonathan Brink http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-1506 Jonathan Brink Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:09:11 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-1506 Kim, I'm not so sure I agree with Bass' assertion. That's kind of an overstatement to be honest. But at the same time, I don't doubt that it our current models lead to complacency. Kim, I'm not so sure I agree with Bass' assertion. That's kind of an overstatement to be honest. But at the same time, I don't doubt that it our current models lead to complacency.

]]> By: kimxtom http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-879 kimxtom Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:55:24 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-879 Jonathon - lately I've been pondering - why church? What is next for the church as an idea and for church as the reality that I participate in weekly? Diane Butler Bass says "church should only be about comfort for the sick, the dying, the grieving, and the oppressed. Everybody else--buck up and change the world." <br><br>I have kind of felt that my calling was to help remind "the church" that it has a responsibility to change the world, but it's definitely an under-appreciated role (to say the least;). Because of this, where my church once was a place of growth and opportunity, it now leaves me feeling tapped out and soul-weary. So it kind of feels like we are going through a divorce, of sorts. It is a painful acknowledgment of my/our humanity and our ongoing ability to fail. <br><br>more thoughts @ <a href="http://kimxtom.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-church.html" rel="nofollow">http://kimxtom.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-church....</a> Jonathon – lately I've been pondering – why church? What is next for the church as an idea and for church as the reality that I participate in weekly? Diane Butler Bass says “church should only be about comfort for the sick, the dying, the grieving, and the oppressed. Everybody else–buck up and change the world.”

I have kind of felt that my calling was to help remind “the church” that it has a responsibility to change the world, but it's definitely an under-appreciated role (to say the least;). Because of this, where my church once was a place of growth and opportunity, it now leaves me feeling tapped out and soul-weary. So it kind of feels like we are going through a divorce, of sorts. It is a painful acknowledgment of my/our humanity and our ongoing ability to fail.

more thoughts @ http://kimxtom.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-church….

]]> By: kimxtom http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-1505 kimxtom Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:55:24 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-1505 Jonathon - lately I've been pondering - why church? What is next for the church as an idea and for church as the reality that I participate in weekly? Diane Butler Bass says "church should only be about comfort for the sick, the dying, the grieving, and the oppressed. Everybody else--buck up and change the world." <br><br>I have kind of felt that my calling was to help remind "the church" that it has a responsibility to change the world, but it's definitely an under-appreciated role (to say the least;). Because of this, where my church once was a place of growth and opportunity, it now leaves me feeling tapped out and soul-weary. So it kind of feels like we are going through a divorce, of sorts. It is a painful acknowledgment of my/our humanity and our ongoing ability to fail. <br><br>more thoughts @ <a href="http://kimxtom.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-church.html" rel="nofollow">http://kimxtom.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-church....</a> Jonathon – lately I've been pondering – why church? What is next for the church as an idea and for church as the reality that I participate in weekly? Diane Butler Bass says “church should only be about comfort for the sick, the dying, the grieving, and the oppressed. Everybody else–buck up and change the world.”

I have kind of felt that my calling was to help remind “the church” that it has a responsibility to change the world, but it's definitely an under-appreciated role (to say the least;). Because of this, where my church once was a place of growth and opportunity, it now leaves me feeling tapped out and soul-weary. So it kind of feels like we are going through a divorce, of sorts. It is a painful acknowledgment of my/our humanity and our ongoing ability to fail.

more thoughts @ http://kimxtom.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-church….

]]> By: Jonathan Brink http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-878 Jonathan Brink Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:47:13 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-878 Kim help me with your comment. I'm not sure of its context. Kim help me with your comment. I'm not sure of its context.

]]> By: Jonathan Brink http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-1504 Jonathan Brink Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:47:13 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-1504 Kim help me with your comment. I'm not sure of its context. Kim help me with your comment. I'm not sure of its context.

]]> By: kimxtom http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-877 kimxtom Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:42:51 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-877 why church? why church?

]]> By: kimxtom http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/06/13/did-god-fail/#comment-1503 kimxtom Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:42:51 +0000 http://jonathanbrink.com/?p=860#comment-1503 why church? why church?

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