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A New Kind Of Christianity – Book Review Question 2 & 3

Title: Brian McLaren’s, A New Kind Of Christianity, Ten Questions That Are Transforming The Faith.

Overview: As Emergence Christianity progresses, it becomes critical for voices to begin offering not just critique but alternative perspectives that make sense. Brian offers ten questions that begin to frame an alternative perspective to traditional evangelical orthodoxy.

2. How should the Bible be understood?

What I Hear Brian Saying: In this second question Brian tackles how we approach Scripture as authority.  He addresses the historical nature of approaching the Bible as a legal document, which creates a kind of fundamentalism that people end up defending at the expense of the very people it attempts to transform.  He suggests shifting our understanding of the Bible from legal constitution to community library.

My Response: From my perspective, this section will be seen as perhaps the most Emergent of chapters. Brian is clearly suggesting that we move out of a legal understanding of Scripture and one that is more wholistic in nature.  He is able to do this because of the way he approaches the problem in Question 1.  By removing the historical understanding of the fundamental problem and shaping the narrative as both upward and downward progress, there is essentially no need for what most fundamentalists seek, which is justification.

And herein lies the tension with this chapter. If one still holds onto the idea that there is an ontological problem created in the Garden, one can’t abandon the need for a legal document because the problem of justification still exists.  One can easily begin to ask Brian what is the need for the cross, which I felt myself asking at times.  I think this is what many of the critics are harping on.  Brian has essentially created a different camp that doesn’t seem to need a legal document. If you, the reader, identify with the previous category, and are seeking out the nature of justification, it creates a strange polarization that can be biting.

Brian calls out the oppressive nature of fundamentalism (in any form) that is created when we shape the narrative as legal document and does so without prejudice. Brian pulls no punches in this section and it can feel harsh.  Some of this is justified.  He highlights the way some (not all) see Scripture as something to create a context for justifying oppression.  Although the evidence is clear in history, especially with slavery and women, by calling it out, one can easily assume Brian is suggesting anyone who sees the Bible as authority will use it this way.  This is to me the strongest point of the section. His critique of the outcome of seeing it as a legal document is extremely valid.  Although Brian has essentially crafted a stereotype, one which clearly exists, Brian helps creates the polarization with the way he’s set up camp.

2. Is God Violent?

What I Hear Brian Saying: In this section Brian wrestles with the nature of God’s character in the narrative, especially the issue of violence.  He calls out the brutal nature of the Flood and asks, “Is God violent”.  He suggests that the writers of the narrative are approaching it with a limited understanding of who God is, something like a first grader approaches math.  Over time the writers begin to see God differently and with more maturity, something like a high school student approaches math.  What Brian seems to be saying is that what we read in the story is a developed approach to God’s character, as opposed to a true view of it.  So when we read about who God is, we’re seeing it through the lens of the writer, not from a divine revelation of what is actually true.

My Response: Unfortunately, I didn’t resonate with this chapter the way I had hoped.  I didn’t share his tension with violence as much as he did.  I think this comes from the fact that I have wrestled with this issue in very deep ways and come to an entirely different conclusion about the problem and the reason for God’s responses in Scripture.  [Note: I deal with this fairly deeply in my new book. ;-P]  I think what we see throughout the entire story is a whole picture of God.  So the problem is once again not God, but how WE see God.

I did agree with Brian that Jesus is the best revelation of God we have.  But if we begin with Jesus and look backwards into the story, I don’t see the two differing.  And the reason is that I frame the problem differently.  This is the strange nature of the way has crafted this book.  Brian leaves very little room for disagreement because of the way he’s crafted HIS understanding of the problem.  If you don’t agree with it, you will find yourself disagree with many of the assumptions that follow.

One idea that hit me as I finished this chapter is Israel’s need for a violent God.  In a culture shaped by violent gods, would the Jewish people have even listened to a God that didn’t display power.  The plagues were displays of power over other gods.  God’s initial wrath is a response to the people’s stubbornness and immaturity. Would they have followed a God that initially called for meekness and love, at that time.  I kind of doubt it.  In other words, Brian may be getting it right in a different way than I think he might be saying.  The people’s idea of God changes over time in response to how they experience God, but God fundamentally doesn’t change.

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  • Peggy

    I have heard Wayne Jacobsen describe “the fullness of time” (at which Christ was born into the world) as the earliest possible point in history that humanity could begin to comprehend grace.

    That resonates with your thoughts about a violent god….

  • Peggy

    I have heard Wayne Jacobsen describe “the fullness of time” (at which Christ was born into the world) as the earliest possible point in history that humanity could begin to comprehend grace.

    That resonates with your thoughts about a violent god….

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Peggy, help me with your comment. I'm not sure I understand it.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Peggy, help me with your comment. I'm not sure I understand it.

  • http://openmindedconversations.blogspot.com/ jshmueller

    Can't wait to read your own way of framing the narrative! When will the book be available for pre-order?

  • http://openmindedconversations.blogspot.com/ jshmueller

    Can't wait to read your own way of framing the narrative! When will the book be available for pre-order?

  • lcgeoff

    Thank you for your balanced review. Particularly love your response to the question “Is God Violent?” So many of our problems seem to resonate with how we see God, not God himself. To get a true picture of God we really do need to look at God through the entire Bible.

  • lcgeoff

    Thank you for your balanced review. Particularly love your response to the question “Is God Violent?” So many of our problems seem to resonate with how we see God, not God himself. To get a true picture of God we really do need to look at God through the entire Bible.

  • darrenking

    I assume Peggy is saying that grace, as it is portrayed/described by Jesus, would have been too much of stretch to comprehend for previous generations. In other words, the incarnation happened at the very point in human history when it could prove the most ultimately transformative. Clearly Peggy opts for a progressive understanding of revelation. That's my read on that comment, anyway.

  • darrenking

    I assume Peggy is saying that grace, as it is portrayed/described by Jesus, would have been too much of stretch to comprehend for previous generations. In other words, the incarnation happened at the very point in human history when it could prove the most ultimately transformative. Clearly Peggy opts for a progressive understanding of revelation. That's my read on that comment, anyway.

  • Peggy

    Hey, Jonathan, darrenking got my point. As I suggested in my recent post — http://abisomeone.blogspot.com/2010/02/god-as-s… — God does lead according to the ability of those he is asking to follow him. To watch how he interacts with one person or group and suppose that is the only way he interacts is to have a very narrow view of God.

    This is, for me, one of the wonderful things about the grand diversity of scripture God has provided for us. We can see the wide variety of “leadership styles” that God has in his “tool belt” … much more than a mere hammer … and that he sees us as not just “nails” to drive home. I have come to fancy myself as a kind of “wingnut”…. ;^)

  • Peggy

    Hey, Jonathan, darrenking got my point. As I suggested in my recent post — http://abisomeone.blogspot.com/2010/02/god-as-s… — God does lead according to the ability of those he is asking to follow him. To watch how he interacts with one person or group and suppose that is the only way he interacts is to have a very narrow view of God.

    This is, for me, one of the wonderful things about the grand diversity of scripture God has provided for us. We can see the wide variety of “leadership styles” that God has in his “tool belt” … much more than a mere hammer … and that he sees us as not just “nails” to drive home. I have come to fancy myself as a kind of “wingnut”…. ;^)

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Thanks Peggy. I don't know if you are saying this or not but I see God unfolding what is already true as opposed to what becomes true. Is that what you are saying too?

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Thanks Peggy. I don't know if you are saying this or not but I see God unfolding what is already true as opposed to what becomes true. Is that what you are saying too?

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    I'm trying to have it ready by May 1. I'll announce it when it's ready for pre-order.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    I'm trying to have it ready by May 1. I'll announce it when it's ready for pre-order.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Darren, I think that hits it. Grace just doesn't make sense, even though its already present before time. It required an unfolding.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Darren, I think that hits it. Grace just doesn't make sense, even though its already present before time. It required an unfolding.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Totally agree Geoff.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Totally agree Geoff.

  • Peggy

    Sure … God is who he is all the time–past, present, future.

    But that does not mean that humans are able to comprehend all of that that reality … only that part which God chooses to reveal — and within the context in which it is revealed.

    The challenge is to realize that God is able to reveal bits and pieces to different folks in different circumstances, according to their ability to understand, without it meaning that he is changing from one moment to the next. He is so far above and beyond our ability to get our arms and brains and hearts around exactly who he is … but he is always faithful to reveal what we need to know when we need to know it — we just need to be paying attention, eh?

  • Peggy

    Sure … God is who he is all the time–past, present, future.

    But that does not mean that humans are able to comprehend all of that that reality … only that part which God chooses to reveal — and within the context in which it is revealed.

    The challenge is to realize that God is able to reveal bits and pieces to different folks in different circumstances, according to their ability to understand, without it meaning that he is changing from one moment to the next. He is so far above and beyond our ability to get our arms and brains and hearts around exactly who he is … but he is always faithful to reveal what we need to know when we need to know it — we just need to be paying attention, eh?

  • roncole

    Jonathon I wonder how much of God we project out of our context also. I think of the early Israelite stories…the warfare, struggle for control of land. If that is the context that your living out of…how much of that reality to we project on God. Do we make violent Gods?

  • roncole

    Jonathon I wonder how much of God we project out of our context also. I think of the early Israelite stories…the warfare, struggle for control of land. If that is the context that your living out of…how much of that reality to we project on God. Do we make violent Gods?

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Ron, this is the tension I see in assuming there is no ontological problem. Brian argued for this perception of a violent God based upon a specific event, the flood. The problem is understanding it in context. It's asking why does God do something like that. If there is no problem to address, the flood can easily be seen as just an act of violence. It seems random as opposed to purposeful.

    I do think much of our understanding of God's anger is project, but the story clearly indicates acts of violence that don't seem to make sense.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Ron, this is the tension I see in assuming there is no ontological problem. Brian argued for this perception of a violent God based upon a specific event, the flood. The problem is understanding it in context. It's asking why does God do something like that. If there is no problem to address, the flood can easily be seen as just an act of violence. It seems random as opposed to purposeful.

    I do think much of our understanding of God's anger is project, but the story clearly indicates acts of violence that don't seem to make sense.

  • roncole

    ” …but the story clearly indicates acts of violence that don't seem to make sense.” Again Jonathon, I think it depends where we are standing reading this story. I don't know whether you read it as literal truth. Because of my background, biochemistry and working in clinical chemistry…I see truth but, not literal. Following the progression of the evolution of the species the story is an impossibility. And in Noah's context, his understanding of what the earth was was extremely limited. We know many centuries later humanity thought the world was flat. So flooding could have been the flooding of Noah's ” perceived ” world. And could it be random and purposeful all at the same time.
    I think the sad thing today, religion still filters natural disasters through this lens of a ” violent ” God. I thought Brian did a great job reconnecting the deep story line. Without it God is very schizophrenic, unpredictable, angry, violent in the beginning; calm, peaceful, gracious and loving in the middle…and crazier yet in the end.

  • roncole

    ” …but the story clearly indicates acts of violence that don't seem to make sense.” Again Jonathon, I think it depends where we are standing reading this story. I don't know whether you read it as literal truth. Because of my background, biochemistry and working in clinical chemistry…I see truth but, not literal. Following the progression of the evolution of the species the story is an impossibility. And in Noah's context, his understanding of what the earth was was extremely limited. We know many centuries later humanity thought the world was flat. So flooding could have been the flooding of Noah's ” perceived ” world. And could it be random and purposeful all at the same time.
    I think the sad thing today, religion still filters natural disasters through this lens of a ” violent ” God. I thought Brian did a great job reconnecting the deep story line. Without it God is very schizophrenic, unpredictable, angry, violent in the beginning; calm, peaceful, gracious and loving in the middle…and crazier yet in the end.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Ron I appreciate you framing your answer the way you did. Understanding your scientific background helps me understand you. I can see how you can draw that conclusion.

    I actually love science but I also have a tension with it. How much of the story do we render as metaphorical truth or myth as opposed to actual events. This was the Jesus Seminar approach. Anything that was miraculous was thrown out. I don't doub the possibility that the flood was perhaps the Mesopotamian region, although that would cause problems because fairly large mountain ranges there. Could it reasonably flood the region without flooding the rest of the world?

    The actual problem I see with this is that the story doesn't seem to suggest it is a myth. It presents it as data, the same way you would look at a crime scene. It just is there, asking us to wrestle with it.

    I see the same problem with seeing Adam and the Garden as myth or metaphor. The story doesn't seem to suggest that its a metaphor. Could it be. Sure. But we run the risk of closing down possibility when we come to a conclusion, especially one that the story doesn't seem to suggest. Calling it myth requires us to ask how it integrates with the rest of the story. If Adam is not real, is Cain and Abel real? At what point does the lineage in the story start becoming real?

    This is the delicate dance between our current empirical data and our understanding of the story. It will likely change over time but we're doing the best we can with what we have right now.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Ron I appreciate you framing your answer the way you did. Understanding your scientific background helps me understand you. I can see how you can draw that conclusion.

    I actually love science but I also have a tension with it. How much of the story do we render as metaphorical truth or myth as opposed to actual events. This was the Jesus Seminar approach. Anything that was miraculous was thrown out. I don't doub the possibility that the flood was perhaps the Mesopotamian region, although that would cause problems because fairly large mountain ranges there. Could it reasonably flood the region without flooding the rest of the world?

    The actual problem I see with this is that the story doesn't seem to suggest it is a myth. It presents it as data, the same way you would look at a crime scene. It just is there, asking us to wrestle with it.

    I see the same problem with seeing Adam and the Garden as myth or metaphor. The story doesn't seem to suggest that its a metaphor. Could it be. Sure. But we run the risk of closing down possibility when we come to a conclusion, especially one that the story doesn't seem to suggest. Calling it myth requires us to ask how it integrates with the rest of the story. If Adam is not real, is Cain and Abel real? At what point does the lineage in the story start becoming real?

    This is the delicate dance between our current empirical data and our understanding of the story. It will likely change over time but we're doing the best we can with what we have right now.

  • roncole

    The Jesus Seminar ( 150 ) were scholars with advanced degrees in biblical studies, religious studies or related fields as well as published authors who are notable in the field of religion…very few had any science background at a post graduate level. It really was a scientific debate. But, I would love if you could tweak your quote the Noah story, where you said, ” It presents as data, the same way we would look at a crimes scene.” My right brain thrives on data, so could you present that narrative to me in ” data “. The Adam and Eve story is indeed complex, to suggest it not as not being metaphor is challenging. As it is not written in the first hand eye witness account, the author was not present…and written thousands of years after the fact. It is well documented that prior to any written account the stories were passed down from generation to generation. I've always found it fascinating that Adam and Eve are said in the story to the first humans, yet…who did Cain and Abel marry? Was there in fact another family?
    Anyways, I have no problem with reading the Biblical narrative as metaphor and reality. I know, for a scientific background, that's hard to believe. But, I can live in paradox quite comfortably.
    I think the beautiful thing Jonathon is that in your ” real ” or my ” metaphorical ” reading is that we both see divine truth. And that my friend is very very cool. Anyways, Jonathon thanks for engaging me in conversation here, I appreciate it.

  • roncole

    The Jesus Seminar ( 150 ) were scholars with advanced degrees in biblical studies, religious studies or related fields as well as published authors who are notable in the field of religion…very few had any science background at a post graduate level. It really was a scientific debate. But, I would love if you could tweak your quote the Noah story, where you said, ” It presents as data, the same way we would look at a crimes scene.” My right brain thrives on data, so could you present that narrative to me in ” data “. The Adam and Eve story is indeed complex, to suggest it not as not being metaphor is challenging. As it is not written in the first hand eye witness account, the author was not present…and written thousands of years after the fact. It is well documented that prior to any written account the stories were passed down from generation to generation. I've always found it fascinating that Adam and Eve are said in the story to the first humans, yet…who did Cain and Abel marry? Was there in fact another family?
    Anyways, I have no problem with reading the Biblical narrative as metaphor and reality. I know, for a scientific background, that's hard to believe. But, I can live in paradox quite comfortably.
    I think the beautiful thing Jonathon is that in your ” real ” or my ” metaphorical ” reading is that we both see divine truth. And that my friend is very very cool. Anyways, Jonathon thanks for engaging me in conversation here, I appreciate it.

  • roncole

    Sorry Jonathon…that should have read, ” the Jesus Seminar was ' not ' a scientific debate .”

  • roncole

    Sorry Jonathon…that should have read, ” the Jesus Seminar was ' not ' a scientific debate .”

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Ron, I think living in the paradox is what I was trying to say too.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Ron, I think living in the paradox is what I was trying to say too.

  • Chadholtz

    Jonathan,

    I'm enjoying your interaction with the book. I'm looking forward to hearing more about how you frame the question of violence. I don't see an inherent tension between God's self revelation and our perception of that truth. Do I hear you saying that you do?

    I posted my discussion with question 3 yesterday which can be found here: http://chadholtz.net/?p=1097

    One of the things I took issue with was the misinformation going around suggesting Brian believes in an “evolving God” or one who matures (like what Scot McKnight's review on CT intimated). I'd like your thoughts on the 6 mitigating factors I share about violence in the OT.

    peace,
    Chad

  • Chadholtz

    Jonathan,

    I'm enjoying your interaction with the book. I'm looking forward to hearing more about how you frame the question of violence. I don't see an inherent tension between God's self revelation and our perception of that truth. Do I hear you saying that you do?

    I posted my discussion with question 3 yesterday which can be found here: http://chadholtz.net/?p=1097

    One of the things I took issue with was the misinformation going around suggesting Brian believes in an “evolving God” or one who matures (like what Scot McKnight's review on CT intimated). I'd like your thoughts on the 6 mitigating factors I share about violence in the OT.

    peace,
    Chad

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  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Chad, I'm not quite sure what you mean by, “I don't see an inherent tension between God's self revelation and our perception of that truth. Do I hear you saying that you do?

    Can you rephrase the question?

    And I appreciate your 6 mitigating factors. They offer some help in understanding context. I actually didn't see it the way you suggested Scot spun it, which he's commented that he didn't mean it that way either. I saw Brian saying the problem is in people's perception.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Chad, I'm not quite sure what you mean by, “I don't see an inherent tension between God's self revelation and our perception of that truth. Do I hear you saying that you do?

    Can you rephrase the question?

    And I appreciate your 6 mitigating factors. They offer some help in understanding context. I actually didn't see it the way you suggested Scot spun it, which he's commented that he didn't mean it that way either. I saw Brian saying the problem is in people's perception.

  • brambonius

    So what about Annanias and Saphira??

  • brambonius

    So what about Annanias and Saphira??

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Not to sound callous Brambonius but what about them?

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Not to sound callous Brambonius but what about them?

  • brambonius

    Isn't their death a 'violent' action of God after Jesus?

  • brambonius

    Isn't their death a 'violent' action of God after Jesus?

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    I guess it could be if it said God killed them, but it doesn't say that. It actually says, “5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died.” Sapphira is essentially the same.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    I guess it could be if it said God killed them, but it doesn't say that. It actually says, “5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died.” Sapphira is essentially the same.

  • Chadholtz

    Jonathan,
    Upon rereading it a few times I think I understand what you are getting at. When I read:

    So when we read about who God is, we’re seeing it through the lens of the writer, not from a divine revelation of what is actually true.

    I was thinking that you might be implying that because we affirm the reality of our inability to properly percieve divine revelation then we might also be questioning the reality of divine revelation. Not sure if that makes sense. What I want to see maintained is a belief in revelation and also acknowledge the many ways that that revelation is sometimes incarnated (sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly).

    I'm glad you didn't see it the way I thought Scot spun it and I hope that most readers of CT didn't see it that way, either. But I do think he could have been more careful – and he certainly could have quoted Brian from the book where Brian explicitly denies his belief in an “evolving God.”

  • Chadholtz

    Jonathan,
    Upon rereading it a few times I think I understand what you are getting at. When I read:

    So when we read about who God is, we’re seeing it through the lens of the writer, not from a divine revelation of what is actually true.

    I was thinking that you might be implying that because we affirm the reality of our inability to properly percieve divine revelation then we might also be questioning the reality of divine revelation. Not sure if that makes sense. What I want to see maintained is a belief in revelation and also acknowledge the many ways that that revelation is sometimes incarnated (sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly).

    I'm glad you didn't see it the way I thought Scot spun it and I hope that most readers of CT didn't see it that way, either. But I do think he could have been more careful – and he certainly could have quoted Brian from the book where Brian explicitly denies his belief in an “evolving God.”

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Chad, first I thought Scot's title was misleading and he admitted he got to write it, so sadly I think people will draw the wrong conclusion regardless.

    As far as revelation, here's the way I approach it. I think God's specific way of showing up is true in the story. The events and details did happen. But I think the way we experience it and perceive it is distorted regardless. So what that means for me is the writers got it right, but they read it wrong.

    In other words, we don't have to question if the actual events are true. But we do have to question our ability to understand it because we are bent towards understanding it wrong. We project an incorrect understanding onto God.

    I hope that makes sense.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Chad, first I thought Scot's title was misleading and he admitted he got to write it, so sadly I think people will draw the wrong conclusion regardless.

    As far as revelation, here's the way I approach it. I think God's specific way of showing up is true in the story. The events and details did happen. But I think the way we experience it and perceive it is distorted regardless. So what that means for me is the writers got it right, but they read it wrong.

    In other words, we don't have to question if the actual events are true. But we do have to question our ability to understand it because we are bent towards understanding it wrong. We project an incorrect understanding onto God.

    I hope that makes sense.

  • http://bramboniusinenglish.wordpress.com brambonius

    I’m sorry for the one-sentence posts about this difficult subject. I just did not have the time to write more at the time. I might have better kept silent. I didn’t want to attack your view, it’s only that I struggle with that story when I want to believe in a non-violent God. And the only reading I know is that they in some way died because they betrayed the Holy Spirit. How would you say they died then if not struck by the power of God? I don’t know how else I could read it…

    sorry if this is off-topic. And I would not want to defend the violence of God, I just struggle with it….

    peace

    Bram

  • chrismccarley

    I don't think God was ever violent… i think violence is a byproduct of life on earth. I also think that “the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet” and therefore all experiences with “god” are skewed by an individuals preset biases.

    When we read the OT, we are reading about a very Nomadic, Warrior Culture… that is how they viewed god.

    The other thing to concider is that no one in the Old Testament had ever seen “God” other than by “representation” or “messenger”… thus even if those messangers/angles had themselves skewed the character of God, then God still remains, PURE LOVE, PURE LIGHT, and PURE ENERGY.

    We have never, and will never be able to come into contact with what people think of when they/we nonchalantly through out the word, “god”.

  • chrismccarley

    I don't think God was ever violent… i think violence is a byproduct of life on earth. I also think that “the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet” and therefore all experiences with “god” are skewed by an individuals preset biases.

    When we read the OT, we are reading about a very Nomadic, Warrior Culture… that is how they viewed god.

    The other thing to concider is that no one in the Old Testament had ever seen “God” other than by “representation” or “messenger”… thus even if those messangers/angles had themselves skewed the character of God, then God still remains, PURE LOVE, PURE LIGHT, and PURE ENERGY.

    We have never, and will never be able to come into contact with what people think of when they/we nonchalantly through out the word, “god”.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think God was ever violent… i think violence is a byproduct of life on earth. I also think that “the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet” and therefore all experiences with “god” are skewed by an individuals preset biases.nnWhen we read the OT, we are reading about a very Nomadic, Warrior Culture… that is how they viewed god. nnThe other thing to concider is that no one in the Old Testament had ever seen “God” other than by “representation” or “messenger”… thus even if those messangers/angles had themselves skewed the character of God, then God still remains, PURE LOVE, PURE LIGHT, and PURE ENERGY.nnWe have never, and will never be able to come into contact with what people think of when they/we nonchalantly through out the word, “god”.

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