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		<title>By: Jeff McSwain, Movements of Grace &#124; Kerry&#039;s loft</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-3682</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff McSwain, Movements of Grace &#124; Kerry&#039;s loft</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jshmueller</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, I have blindly followed this pattern of thinking myself for most of my adult life and am certainly not proud of it. Talking about &quot;embrace&quot;, it just brought back a memory of a teen camp about 5 or 6 years ago when we cried with and hugged a few of those teens who had decided to stay behind after an evangelistic talk and did indeed pray the sinner&#039;s prayer. I&#039;m convinced we thought we weren&#039;t loving the other ones who weren&#039;t ready to take that same step any less. You still gotta wonder what may have been if the &quot;unrepentant ones&quot; had received that same amount of outpouring of our emotions or what damage we may have done by effectually treating them as being outside the family still.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I can only thank God for those he brought into my life who challenged me and made me question many of those old unreflected assumptions. I&#039;m grateful to have heard their life-stories and how much they had been hurt by being treated as outsiders while they were thirsting so deeply to truly belong. I&#039;ll never forget it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, I have blindly followed this pattern of thinking myself for most of my adult life and am certainly not proud of it. Talking about &#8220;embrace&#8221;, it just brought back a memory of a teen camp about 5 or 6 years ago when we cried with and hugged a few of those teens who had decided to stay behind after an evangelistic talk and did indeed pray the sinner&#8217;s prayer. I&#8217;m convinced we thought we weren&#8217;t loving the other ones who weren&#8217;t ready to take that same step any less. You still gotta wonder what may have been if the &#8220;unrepentant ones&#8221; had received that same amount of outpouring of our emotions or what damage we may have done by effectually treating them as being outside the family still.</p>
<p>I can only thank God for those he brought into my life who challenged me and made me question many of those old unreflected assumptions. I&#8217;m grateful to have heard their life-stories and how much they had been hurt by being treated as outsiders while they were thirsting so deeply to truly belong. I&#8217;ll never forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: jshmueller</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>jshmueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, I have blindly followed this pattern of thinking myself for most of my adult life and am certainly not proud of it. Talking about &quot;embrace&quot;, it just brought back a memory of a teen camp about 5 or 6 years ago when we cried with and hugged a few of those teens who had decided to stay behind after an evangelistic talk and did indeed pray the sinner&#039;s prayer. I&#039;m convinced we thought we weren&#039;t loving the other ones who weren&#039;t ready to take that same step any less. You still gotta wonder what may have been if the &quot;unrepentant ones&quot; had received that same amount of outpouring of our emotions or what damage we may have done by effectually treating them as being outside the family still.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I can only thank God for those he brought into my life who challenged me and made me question many of those old unreflected assumptions. I&#039;m grateful to have heard their life-stories and how much they had been hurt by being treated as outsiders while they were thirsting so deeply to truly belong. I&#039;ll never forget it.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, I have blindly followed this pattern of thinking myself for most of my adult life and am certainly not proud of it. Talking about &#8220;embrace&#8221;, it just brought back a memory of a teen camp about 5 or 6 years ago when we cried with and hugged a few of those teens who had decided to stay behind after an evangelistic talk and did indeed pray the sinner&#39;s prayer. I&#39;m convinced we thought we weren&#39;t loving the other ones who weren&#39;t ready to take that same step any less. You still gotta wonder what may have been if the &#8220;unrepentant ones&#8221; had received that same amount of outpouring of our emotions or what damage we may have done by effectually treating them as being outside the family still.</p>
<p>I can only thank God for those he brought into my life who challenged me and made me question many of those old unreflected assumptions. I&#39;m grateful to have heard their life-stories and how much they had been hurt by being treated as outsiders while they were thirsting so deeply to truly belong. I&#39;ll never forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: jshmueller</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>jshmueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, I have blindly followed this pattern of thinking myself for most of my adult life and am certainly not proud of it. Talking about &quot;embrace&quot;, it just brought back a memory of a teen camp about 5 or 6 years ago when we cried with and hugged a few of those teens who had decided to stay behind after an evangelistic talk and did indeed pray the sinner&#039;s prayer. I&#039;m convinced we thought we weren&#039;t loving the other ones who weren&#039;t ready to take that same step any less. You still gotta wonder what may have been if the &quot;unrepentant ones&quot; had received that same amount of outpouring of our emotions or what damage we may have done by effectually treating them as being outside the family still.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I can only thank God for those he brought into my life who challenged me and made me question many of those old unreflected assumptions. I&#039;m grateful to have heard their life-stories and how much they had been hurt by being treated as outsiders while they were thirsting so deeply to truly belong. I&#039;ll never forget it.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, I have blindly followed this pattern of thinking myself for most of my adult life and am certainly not proud of it. Talking about &#8220;embrace&#8221;, it just brought back a memory of a teen camp about 5 or 6 years ago when we cried with and hugged a few of those teens who had decided to stay behind after an evangelistic talk and did indeed pray the sinner&#39;s prayer. I&#39;m convinced we thought we weren&#39;t loving the other ones who weren&#39;t ready to take that same step any less. You still gotta wonder what may have been if the &#8220;unrepentant ones&#8221; had received that same amount of outpouring of our emotions or what damage we may have done by effectually treating them as being outside the family still.</p>
<p>I can only thank God for those he brought into my life who challenged me and made me question many of those old unreflected assumptions. I&#39;m grateful to have heard their life-stories and how much they had been hurt by being treated as outsiders while they were thirsting so deeply to truly belong. I&#39;ll never forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Brink</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-1996</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, I don&#039;t know if I have so clearly heard a comment on my blog that so resonates with me.  You have captured so much in what you just said.  Thank you for participating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, I don&#8217;t know if I have so clearly heard a comment on my blog that so resonates with me.  You have captured so much in what you just said.  Thank you for participating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Brink</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, I don&#039;t know if I have so clearly heard a comment on my blog that so resonates with me.  You have captured so much in what you just said.  Thank you for participating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, I don&#39;t know if I have so clearly heard a comment on my blog that so resonates with me.  You have captured so much in what you just said.  Thank you for participating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Brink</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-1058</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, I don&#039;t know if I have so clearly heard a comment on my blog that so resonates with me.  You have captured so much in what you just said.  Thank you for participating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, I don&#39;t know if I have so clearly heard a comment on my blog that so resonates with me.  You have captured so much in what you just said.  Thank you for participating.</p>
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		<title>By: jshmueller</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator>jshmueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to mee that the crux of traditional evangelicalism is its desire to clearly define the borders between who is &quot;in&quot; and who is &quot;out&quot;.  I know exactly what the typical response from that stance would sound like: &quot;Reconciliation is only limitless as an offer.  It does not become a reality unless a person decides to embrace it.  That&#039;s why Paul must plead in 2 Corinthians 5:20 with unbelievers to be reconciled to God.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words:  if we were to believe that everyone is reconciled already, the call to repentance and conversion would become obsolete.  That&#039;s the &quot;logic&quot; behind it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My response today would be:  while there is a kernel of truth in this approach(reconciliation indeed doesn&#039;t reach its goal without a mutual embrace), we actually obstruct this desired human response by treating certain individuals as &quot;out&quot;.  And unless they go along some certain rites of initiation (i.e. &quot;pray the sinner&#039;s prayer&quot;, be baptized etc.) we refuse to truly include them as people who belong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But what if the whole point of repentance and conversion was not those rites but a waking up to the fact that God treats us as being &#039;in&#039; completely independent of any response?  What if the prodigal sons and daughters never ceased being treated as true children of the Father?  Why shouldn&#039;t WE treat others exactly the same way?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point of pleading and of evangelism in general then becomes something much different.  It&#039;s a pleading to wake up to the reality of a love so limitless and amazing that it makes a compelling case to overcome our state of open rebellion or hiding in shame - a state in which we did not want or have been able to believe that such love and acceptance could truly exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to mee that the crux of traditional evangelicalism is its desire to clearly define the borders between who is &#8220;in&#8221; and who is &#8220;out&#8221;.  I know exactly what the typical response from that stance would sound like: &#8220;Reconciliation is only limitless as an offer.  It does not become a reality unless a person decides to embrace it.  That&#39;s why Paul must plead in 2 Corinthians 5:20 with unbelievers to be reconciled to God.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words:  if we were to believe that everyone is reconciled already, the call to repentance and conversion would become obsolete.  That&#39;s the &#8220;logic&#8221; behind it.</p>
<p>My response today would be:  while there is a kernel of truth in this approach(reconciliation indeed doesn&#39;t reach its goal without a mutual embrace), we actually obstruct this desired human response by treating certain individuals as &#8220;out&#8221;.  And unless they go along some certain rites of initiation (i.e. &#8220;pray the sinner&#39;s prayer&#8221;, be baptized etc.) we refuse to truly include them as people who belong.</p>
<p>But what if the whole point of repentance and conversion was not those rites but a waking up to the fact that God treats us as being &#39;in&#39; completely independent of any response?  What if the prodigal sons and daughters never ceased being treated as true children of the Father?  Why shouldn&#39;t WE treat others exactly the same way?</p>
<p>The point of pleading and of evangelism in general then becomes something much different.  It&#39;s a pleading to wake up to the reality of a love so limitless and amazing that it makes a compelling case to overcome our state of open rebellion or hiding in shame &#8211; a state in which we did not want or have been able to believe that such love and acceptance could truly exist.</p>
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		<title>By: jshmueller</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>jshmueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to mee that the crux of traditional evangelicalism is its desire to clearly define the borders between who is &quot;in&quot; and who is &quot;out&quot;.  I know exactly what the typical response from that stance would sound like: &quot;Reconciliation is only limitless as an offer.  It does not become a reality unless a person decides to embrace it.  That&#039;s why Paul must plead in 2 Corinthians 5:20 with unbelievers to be reconciled to God.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words:  if we were to believe that everyone is reconciled already, the call to repentance and conversion would become obsolete.  That&#039;s the &quot;logic&quot; behind it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My response today would be:  while there is a kernel of truth in this approach(reconciliation indeed doesn&#039;t reach its goal without a mutual embrace), we actually obstruct this desired human response by treating certain individuals as &quot;out&quot;.  And unless they go along some certain rites of initiation (i.e. &quot;pray the sinner&#039;s prayer&quot;, be baptized etc.) we refuse to truly include them as people who belong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But what if the whole point of repentance and conversion was not those rites but a waking up to the fact that God treats us as being &#039;in&#039; completely independent of any response?  What if the prodigal sons and daughters never ceased being treated as true children of the Father?  Why shouldn&#039;t WE treat others exactly the same way?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point of pleading and of evangelism in general then becomes something much different.  It&#039;s a pleading to wake up to the reality of a love so limitless and amazing that it makes a compelling case to overcome our state of open rebellion or hiding in shame - a state in which we did not want or have been able to believe that such love and acceptance could truly exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to mee that the crux of traditional evangelicalism is its desire to clearly define the borders between who is &#8220;in&#8221; and who is &#8220;out&#8221;.  I know exactly what the typical response from that stance would sound like: &#8220;Reconciliation is only limitless as an offer.  It does not become a reality unless a person decides to embrace it.  That&#39;s why Paul must plead in 2 Corinthians 5:20 with unbelievers to be reconciled to God.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words:  if we were to believe that everyone is reconciled already, the call to repentance and conversion would become obsolete.  That&#39;s the &#8220;logic&#8221; behind it.</p>
<p>My response today would be:  while there is a kernel of truth in this approach(reconciliation indeed doesn&#39;t reach its goal without a mutual embrace), we actually obstruct this desired human response by treating certain individuals as &#8220;out&#8221;.  And unless they go along some certain rites of initiation (i.e. &#8220;pray the sinner&#39;s prayer&#8221;, be baptized etc.) we refuse to truly include them as people who belong.</p>
<p>But what if the whole point of repentance and conversion was not those rites but a waking up to the fact that God treats us as being &#39;in&#39; completely independent of any response?  What if the prodigal sons and daughters never ceased being treated as true children of the Father?  Why shouldn&#39;t WE treat others exactly the same way?</p>
<p>The point of pleading and of evangelism in general then becomes something much different.  It&#39;s a pleading to wake up to the reality of a love so limitless and amazing that it makes a compelling case to overcome our state of open rebellion or hiding in shame &#8211; a state in which we did not want or have been able to believe that such love and acceptance could truly exist.</p>
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		<title>By: aamoslove</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2010/01/13/a-fearless-belonging/#comment-496</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good stuff - We are already reconcilled...&lt;br&gt;And God doesn’t remember our sin anymore...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why do we? ;-) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*2Corintians 5:19 &lt;br&gt;That God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, &lt;br&gt;not imputing their trespasses unto them; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*Psalms 32:1 &lt;br&gt;Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.  &lt;br&gt;Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD does not impute iniquity,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*Isaiah 43:25 &lt;br&gt;I, even I, am he that blots out your transgressions for mine own sake, &lt;br&gt;and will not remember your sins.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*Isaiah 44:22 &lt;br&gt;I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, your transgressions, &lt;br&gt;and, as a cloud, your sins:  &lt;br&gt;return unto me; for I have redeemed you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*Psalm 103:12 &lt;br&gt;As far as the east is from the west, &lt;br&gt;so far has he removed our transgressions from us.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*Acts 3:19 Repent  therefore, and be converted, &lt;br&gt;that your sins may be blotted out,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*Jeremiah 31:34 &lt;br&gt; ...for I will forgive their iniquity, &lt;br&gt;and I will remember their sin no more.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;*Romans 4:7 &lt;br&gt;Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, &lt;br&gt;and whose sins are covered. &lt;br&gt;Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John 1:29 &lt;br&gt;Behold  the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1 John 1:7  &lt;br&gt;...And the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony</p>
<p>Good stuff &#8211; We are already reconcilled&#8230;<br />And God doesn’t remember our sin anymore&#8230;</p>
<p>Why do we? <img src='http://jonathanbrink.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>*2Corintians 5:19 <br />That God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, <br />not imputing their trespasses unto them; </p>
<p>*Psalms 32:1 <br />Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.  <br />Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD does not impute iniquity,</p>
<p>*Isaiah 43:25 <br />I, even I, am he that blots out your transgressions for mine own sake, <br />and will not remember your sins.</p>
<p>*Isaiah 44:22 <br />I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, your transgressions, <br />and, as a cloud, your sins:  <br />return unto me; for I have redeemed you.</p>
<p>*Psalm 103:12 <br />As far as the east is from the west, <br />so far has he removed our transgressions from us.</p>
<p>*Acts 3:19 Repent  therefore, and be converted, <br />that your sins may be blotted out,</p>
<p>*Jeremiah 31:34 <br /> &#8230;for I will forgive their iniquity, <br />and I will remember their sin no more.</p>
<p>*Romans 4:7 <br />Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, <br />and whose sins are covered. <br />Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.</p>
<p>John 1:29 <br />Behold  the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.</p>
<p>1 John 1:7  <br />&#8230;And the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.</p>
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