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	<title>Comments on: Books About Submission</title>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Norris Clack</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-3240</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia Norris Clack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in a bookstore.  Right after Christmas a mother and daughter were in shopping for something the daughter wanted.  I overheard the mother telling the daughter, &quot;I&#039;m not going to buy anything. I have all those books on submission that your father bought me for Christmas&quot;  n</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in a bookstore.  Right after Christmas a mother and daughter were in shopping for something the daughter wanted.  I overheard the mother telling the daughter, &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to buy anything. I have all those books on submission that your father bought me for Christmas&#8221;  n</p>
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		<title>By: Mamacup</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-2393</link>
		<dc:creator>Mamacup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I can&#039;t submit to my husband as the head who I can see, how could I submit to God who I can&#039;t see?  rnrnIf anyone says, &quot;I love God,&quot; yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.rn1 John 4:20 rnrnrn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I can&#8217;t submit to my husband as the head who I can see, how could I submit to God who I can&#8217;t see?  rnrnIf anyone says, &#8220;I love God,&#8221; yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.rn1 John 4:20 rnrnrn</p>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-2391</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you have to do to debunk the &quot;man&quot; interpretation of this verse is start reading what absurdity men from a century after Jesus said about women!Guess they missed as Christ loved the church part.  These men had issues Jesus never had!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to do to debunk the &#8220;man&#8221; interpretation of this verse is start reading what absurdity men from a century after Jesus said about women!Guess they missed as Christ loved the church part.  These men had issues Jesus never had!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-2392</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you have to do to debunk the &quot;man&quot; interpretation of this verse is start reading what absurdity men from a century after Jesus said about women!Guess they missed as Christ loved the church part.  These men had issues Jesus never had!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to do to debunk the &#8220;man&#8221; interpretation of this verse is start reading what absurdity men from a century after Jesus said about women!Guess they missed as Christ loved the church part.  These men had issues Jesus never had!!!</p>
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		<title>By: sonja andrews</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-2390</link>
		<dc:creator>sonja andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, sadly, there are groups of Christians who do not believe that women&#039;s pain in childbirth should be relieved.  Nor do they believe that women should give birth anywhere but at home, as the intervention of a doctor would interfere with the marital relationship (i.e. the husband&#039;s dominance).  Many women have suffered irrevocable physical damage as a result of this, some have, indeed, died.  This is such a vile, reprehensible MISreading of Genesis 3 that I literally have no words for how angry I it makes me.   nnInterestingly, many of the men who brainwash their women into following this do not have jobs as farmworkers using oxen to pull a plow and/or using hand tools to do their farmwork.  They, themselves, think nothing of using every modern convenience for their, often modern computer driven, jobs outside the home.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, sadly, there are groups of Christians who do not believe that women&#8217;s pain in childbirth should be relieved.  Nor do they believe that women should give birth anywhere but at home, as the intervention of a doctor would interfere with the marital relationship (i.e. the husband&#8217;s dominance).  Many women have suffered irrevocable physical damage as a result of this, some have, indeed, died.  This is such a vile, reprehensible MISreading of Genesis 3 that I literally have no words for how angry I it makes me.   nnInterestingly, many of the men who brainwash their women into following this do not have jobs as farmworkers using oxen to pull a plow and/or using hand tools to do their farmwork.  They, themselves, think nothing of using every modern convenience for their, often modern computer driven, jobs outside the home.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Brink</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-2389</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mamacup, I&#039;m not doubting that women have written one and it would be great to hear how being submissive has been of value to you.  But unfortunately the dominant dialog I hear is from men reminding women to be submissive.  And what grows out of that is a culture that keeps women from participating or leading.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mamacup, I&#8217;m not doubting that women have written one and it would be great to hear how being submissive has been of value to you.  But unfortunately the dominant dialog I hear is from men reminding women to be submissive.  And what grows out of that is a culture that keeps women from participating or leading.</p>
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		<title>By: Mamacup</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-2388</link>
		<dc:creator>Mamacup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. rnEphesians 5:22-24rnrnWell I&#039;m going to write one then, because as a woman, I see it as a good thing.rnrnrn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. rnEphesians 5:22-24rnrnWell I&#8217;m going to write one then, because as a woman, I see it as a good thing.rnrnrn</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-1942</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That could be ... I don&#039;t who you grew up with.  rnrnBut Piper, for sure, recognizes that &quot;And he will rule over you&quot; is a curse.  He says &quot;It is a description of misery, not a model for marriage.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That could be &#8230; I don&#8217;t who you grew up with.  rnrnBut Piper, for sure, recognizes that &#8220;And he will rule over you&#8221; is a curse.  He says &#8220;It is a description of misery, not a model for marriage.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Brink</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-1943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, while I won&#039;t go into it here I think most of the church gets the curses completely wrong.  And it is important to note that the pain in childbearing (its not birth) is actually given by God, which means it has a redemptive purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, while I won&#8217;t go into it here I think most of the church gets the curses completely wrong.  And it is important to note that the pain in childbearing (its not birth) is actually given by God, which means it has a redemptive purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Brink</title>
		<link>http://jonathanbrink.com/2009/10/26/books-about-submission/#comment-1944</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Eric, the very nature of the arguments, of which I grew up in and are very familiar is a form of rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Eric, the very nature of the arguments, of which I grew up in and are very familiar is a form of rule.</p>
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