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The Professional Christian

I have a friend who is a pastor.  And sometimes I think he secretly wishes he could dump the label.

One of the tensions I see in the church is the dichotomy between the pastor and the members of the church.  The system is actually designed to help foster this tension.  There’s a guy up front who does all the thinking, and the people out there who take it all in.  The guy up front is has a higher degree, is likely ordained, and is paid to pour over the Scriptures.  The people out there actually pay to come and listen.  Rarely do the two ever meet. This tension is magnified during failure. When the guy up front fails, the level of anguish is catastrophic.  Entire organizations can be transformed literally over night.  When a person out there fails, it can easily be swept under the carpet or forgotten within days.

This professional class of Christians troubles me because it fosters the idea that to participate in missions means doing what the guy up front does.  It means going back to school, selling it all and becoming an itinerant preacher.  I’ve actually had someone say that to me. Yet if this were true, the church would be made up of people who were simply talking instead of listening.

But as I look as the Jesus model, he began with the un-professional.  He assumed the people could become like him.  He worked with a small group of people culturally unqualified for the role and stayed with them continually over three years.  He modeled the Way of grace and love and trust, and invited them to follow it too.  And then he released them as elders, as someone who could then teach others in the Way.  There were no degrees, no guy up front, no dichotomy.  The assumption was that anyone could participate in the Kingdom.

Which brings me back to my friend.  What is funny is that when we’re really honest with each other, he sometimes wonder if he’s even cut out for the label. Most of his friends from seminary have quit or moved on to “other” professions.  He periodically ruminates on the idea that he’s slowly killing himself in the process of holding on.  Being up front has created an expectation that is virtually impossible to fulfill.  And the harder he tries the heavier the expectation becomes.

What if the problem is not the Gospel, or the message, or the Kingdom of God, but the structures we have created to communicate them? Truth is, we like to insert stuff into what God is doing.  We like to take God’s image and fashion it after ourselves.  And what we end up with is a structure that cripples us in the process. And all the while God stands back and just laughs, thinking, “You don’t have to live like this.”

What if we found the courage to simply follow Jesus and do it His way?  What if we took the risk to return to an elder led, discipleship oriented structure that fostered community, spiritual formation in a tight knit group, and focused on living out the Way.  What a concept right?  Yet when the ecclesia engaged this process, it flourished.

I would suggest that one of the real significant changes over the next fifty years we will see is a move away from the professional Christian and to an elder led ecclesia. The professional will likely exist, but not as the dominant form of spiritual formation or even community.  And when we do, it will release people to participate in the Kingdom.

Jonathan Brink - I am an author, coach, speaker and consultant. I work with communities and networks looking to engage God's mission in the Way of Jesus. He recently published, Discovering The God Imagination: Reconstructing A Whole, New Christianity. (CreateSpace, 2010)

  • http://jonathanstegall.com/ jonathanstegall

    So thanks for writing this. I've been feeling like a failure lately for choosing, after getting a ministry degree, to get a design degree and try to “minister” without being a professional Christian… being a part of communities, teaching, designing things, etc.

    I've felt like I made the wrong decision, and should instead have become a professional minister… less loan money, probably just as much free time for things where my passion lives.

    While it's certainly still possible that I made the wrong decision, I can't tell you how encouraging it is for me, today, to hear that I might not have.

  • http://jonathanstegall.com/ jonathanstegall

    So thanks for writing this. I've been feeling like a failure lately for choosing, after getting a ministry degree, to get a design degree and try to “minister” without being a professional Christian… being a part of communities, teaching, designing things, etc.

    I've felt like I made the wrong decision, and should instead have become a professional minister… less loan money, probably just as much free time for things where my passion lives.

    While it's certainly still possible that I made the wrong decision, I can't tell you how encouraging it is for me, today, to hear that I might not have.

  • lizdyer

    Jonathan – you said “What if the problem is not the Gospel, or the message, or the Kingdom of God, but the structures we have created to communicate them?”

    I believe the structure is a problem and that it stunts spiritual growth in most people.

    I don't know if I agree with you about “elder led” but I definitely would like to see professional church staff go away and “discipleship oriented structures that foster community, spiritual formation in a tight knit group, and focused on living out the Way”

  • lizdyer

    Jonathan – you said “What if the problem is not the Gospel, or the message, or the Kingdom of God, but the structures we have created to communicate them?”

    I believe the structure is a problem and that it stunts spiritual growth in most people.

    I don't know if I agree with you about “elder led” but I definitely would like to see professional church staff go away and “discipleship oriented structures that foster community, spiritual formation in a tight knit group, and focused on living out the Way”

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Thank Liz. Just curious about your comment about “elder led” and why you disagree. my thinking was that Jesus essentially led a group of twelve in community. He modeled the Way for the twelve.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Thank Liz. Just curious about your comment about “elder led” and why you disagree. my thinking was that Jesus essentially led a group of twelve in community. He modeled the Way for the twelve.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    My friend Jeromy left the pastorate and is pursuing a design degree too. I say, follow your heart Jonathan.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    My friend Jeromy left the pastorate and is pursuing a design degree too. I say, follow your heart Jonathan.

  • angelaharms

    That vision of what it means to be a pastor… yuck. Yuck. But I have this idea that there's something beautiful about holding a community in your heart, in your hands, supporting and strengthening them. Helping them to question & explore together, love each other, grow into grace, those things appeal to me.

    In fact, I love this work *so* much. I don't know how much longer I'm going to be able to keep doing the other work, the stuff that brings in money. I'd love nothing more than to be able to embrace the whole professional Christian thing. But not as that kind of pastor. Yuck.

  • angelaharms

    That vision of what it means to be a pastor… yuck. Yuck. But I have this idea that there's something beautiful about holding a community in your heart, in your hands, supporting and strengthening them. Helping them to question & explore together, love each other, grow into grace, those things appeal to me.

    In fact, I love this work *so* much. I don't know how much longer I'm going to be able to keep doing the other work, the stuff that brings in money. I'd love nothing more than to be able to embrace the whole professional Christian thing. But not as that kind of pastor. Yuck.

  • http://twoshirts.org jasonacoker

    I couldn't agree more. 16 months ago I resigned from my ministry position and embarked on exactly the mission you describe here. Since then my wife and I have worked hard to forge a new career path after 12 years in professional ministry and now, with God's grace, I am earning a regular living. Last March my wife and I began meeting with a small group and slowly walking out our faith with others in a more egalitarian, grassroots structure.

    Now comes the tough part – convincing my denomination that this is a valid, biblical way to lead a church (“Okay, but when are you planning to start taking a salary?”). Wait, scratch that. Now comes the really tough part – actually making disciples without an entertainment-oriented show or culturally inherited structure of explicit authority. That is, after all, how I was trained to lead. Shedding that paradigm has been a bit like performing brain surgery on myself without anesthesia. : )

  • http://twoshirts.org jasonacoker

    I couldn't agree more. 16 months ago I resigned from my ministry position and embarked on exactly the mission you describe here. Since then my wife and I have worked hard to forge a new career path after 12 years in professional ministry and now, with God's grace, I am earning a regular living. Last March my wife and I began meeting with a small group and slowly walking out our faith with others in a more egalitarian, grassroots structure.

    Now comes the tough part – convincing my denomination that this is a valid, biblical way to lead a church (“Okay, but when are you planning to start taking a salary?”). Wait, scratch that. Now comes the really tough part – actually making disciples without an entertainment-oriented show or culturally inherited structure of explicit authority. That is, after all, how I was trained to lead. Shedding that paradigm has been a bit like performing brain surgery on myself without anesthesia. : )

  • sarooney

    Great post and I also really enjoyed Jason's comment.

    Another thought to ponder (on Jesus as the model) is that Jesus' ministry ended in failure from the viewpoint of the established religious system of His day. Of course, that wasn't the end of the story. I'm just saying that perception is important.

  • sarooney

    Great post and I also really enjoyed Jason's comment.

    Another thought to ponder (on Jesus as the model) is that Jesus' ministry ended in failure from the viewpoint of the established religious system of His day. Of course, that wasn't the end of the story. I'm just saying that perception is important.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Sarah, can you unpack that a little?

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Sarah, can you unpack that a little?

  • http://bit.ly/gwalter gwalter

    Exactly. As a church planter, I chose my own title: “Coach.” That's the role I operated in. I was a consultant, a coach, a mentor. But upon moving to a more traditional church, I tried to retain that title. Stated that's what I would do during the interviews, and told them to not put me up on a pedestal, or treat me differently – because I'm not perfect, and expectations are just premeditated resentments.

    Well, guess what? The best laid plans… I'm not longer a full-time, paid Christian. But, that doesn't mean I'm not still called to serve. All I have to do now is find a revenue stream. ;)

  • http://bit.ly/gwalter gwalter

    Exactly. As a church planter, I chose my own title: “Coach.” That's the role I operated in. I was a consultant, a coach, a mentor. But upon moving to a more traditional church, I tried to retain that title. Stated that's what I would do during the interviews, and told them to not put me up on a pedestal, or treat me differently – because I'm not perfect, and expectations are just premeditated resentments.

    Well, guess what? The best laid plans… I'm not longer a full-time, paid Christian. But, that doesn't mean I'm not still called to serve. All I have to do now is find a revenue stream. ;)

  • lizdyer

    Jonathan – I tend to be leary of community with designated leadership (other than the leadership of the spirit) but don't know for sure that I am in disagreement. My knee jerk reaction is to have no leader other than the spirit and for everyone to be equal participants even though they may be at different places in their journey

  • lizdyer

    Jonathan – I tend to be leary of community with designated leadership (other than the leadership of the spirit) but don't know for sure that I am in disagreement. My knee jerk reaction is to have no leader other than the spirit and for everyone to be equal participants even though they may be at different places in their journey

  • sarooney

    Well, first of all, that ministry only lasted for three years. And more and more people were abandoning Him towards the end (as He was starting to say some really weird stuff). And then, it all kind of anti-climaxed with an execution, leaving the disciples seriously confused and pretty much directionless.

    I think this shows us that God's perception of success – or at least His path to success – is vastly different than ours.

  • sarooney

    Well, first of all, that ministry only lasted for three years. And more and more people were abandoning Him towards the end (as He was starting to say some really weird stuff). And then, it all kind of anti-climaxed with an execution, leaving the disciples seriously confused and pretty much directionless.

    I think this shows us that God's perception of success – or at least His path to success – is vastly different than ours.

  • aamoslove

    Jonathan – Fairly new to the blogospear. Just heard about “The Nines.”
    So I Googled “the Nines and leadership” and a whole bunch of sites came up.
    Those comments at your site“Things I noticed in the Nines” were left on over 30 sites.

    Just went over your site a little and Praise God,
    I see there are many folks here questioning “The System.”
    So I thought I’d answer your responce on this post.

    I have seen the dangers of “Titles,” of “Pastors,” and of “leaders.”
    Spiritual abuse for both the “leader” and those “being led” by man.
    My conclusion is the word “leader” is very, very dangerous for both.

    I'm not not new to “ministering healing” to those who have been abused
    by those who “thought they were called to be leaders.”
    Folks who've been burnt, burnt out, kicked out, or crawled out of “the religious system”
    with it's leaders, spiritual authority, and other “heavy weights” put on folks shoulders.

    I also spend a fair amount of time with pastors,
    “so called leaders,” who can't do it anymore.

    Trying to run the show, please so many masters and
    realizing they didn’t even qualify to be an elder.

    Trying to please the denominational leaders, the congregation and it's leaders,
    and of course Jesus.
    Who is often relegated to last place. Hmmm? Three masters, that's tough; Yes?
    Preaching every week… and it better be good, being the CEO, the team leader, councilor, smiley face. etc. etc.

    If “pastors” (as we see them today) are of God?
    He's not taking very good care of His shepherds; Is He?.
    And, if we don't have a contented pastor how can we have contented sheep?
    Hmmm? Wonder why?

    This is info from a website helping burned out Pastors.

    PastorCare offers support and encouragement for pastors and their families.
    At PastorCare we care about YOU and we want to help.

    http://www.pastorcare.org/PastorCare/About_Us.html

    According to the Francis A. Schaeffer Institute of Church Leadership (2007)
    • 77% say they do “not” have a good marriage.
    • 71% have felt burned out or depressed.
    • 70% do not have someone they consider a close friend.
    • 40% report a serious conflict with a parishioner at least once a month.
    • 38% are divorced or seriously considering divorce.

    According to the Ministering to Ministers Foundation…
    • Over 1600 pastors in the U.S. are forced out of their positions each month.
    • Nearly 1 in 4 pastors experience a forced termination at least once during their ministry.
    •Only 54% of pastors go back into full-time church related positions.

    Think we might have a problem Jonathan?
    70% of pastors are depressed or burnt out. Don't have a close friend. Hmmm?
    That's who is running the show. “Leadership?”
    That's who is abusing God's sheep.
    I have been both abused and the abuser. It’s not pretty.

    1600 pastors a month, that's 18,000 a year, leave or are pushed out. Wow!!!
    That's a lot of broken hearts, disappointments, feelings of failure, pain, abuse.

    Hmmm? Pastor, is this a “Title” or “position” in the scriptures?
    In the Bible, How many congregations are… led by a pastor?

    Once again, How do “you” reconcile leaders
    with “Jesus” telling His disciples “Not” to be called leader.
    And none did…

    Yes!!! Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus.

    In His Service. By His Grace.

  • aamoslove

    Jonathan – Fairly new to the blogospear. Just heard about “The Nines.”
    So I Googled “the Nines and leadership” and a whole bunch of sites came up.
    Those comments at your site“Things I noticed in the Nines” were left on over 30 sites.

    Just went over your site a little and Praise God,
    I see there are many folks here questioning “The System.”
    So I thought I’d answer your responce on this post.

    I have seen the dangers of “Titles,” of “Pastors,” and of “leaders.”
    Spiritual abuse for both the “leader” and those “being led” by man.
    My conclusion is the word “leader” is very, very dangerous for both.

    I'm not not new to “ministering healing” to those who have been abused
    by those who “thought they were called to be leaders.”
    Folks who've been burnt, burnt out, kicked out, or crawled out of “the religious system”
    with it's leaders, spiritual authority, and other “heavy weights” put on folks shoulders.

    I also spend a fair amount of time with pastors,
    “so called leaders,” who can't do it anymore.

    Trying to run the show, please so many masters and
    realizing they didn’t even qualify to be an elder.

    Trying to please the denominational leaders, the congregation and it's leaders,
    and of course Jesus.
    Who is often relegated to last place. Hmmm? Three masters, that's tough; Yes?
    Preaching every week… and it better be good, being the CEO, the team leader, councilor, smiley face. etc. etc.

    If “pastors” (as we see them today) are of God?
    He's not taking very good care of His shepherds; Is He?.
    And, if we don't have a contented pastor how can we have contented sheep?
    Hmmm? Wonder why?

    This is info from a website helping burned out Pastors.

    PastorCare offers support and encouragement for pastors and their families.
    At PastorCare we care about YOU and we want to help.

    http://www.pastorcare.org/PastorCare/About_Us.html

    According to the Francis A. Schaeffer Institute of Church Leadership (2007)
    • 77% say they do “not” have a good marriage.
    • 71% have felt burned out or depressed.
    • 70% do not have someone they consider a close friend.
    • 40% report a serious conflict with a parishioner at least once a month.
    • 38% are divorced or seriously considering divorce.

    According to the Ministering to Ministers Foundation…
    • Over 1600 pastors in the U.S. are forced out of their positions each month.
    • Nearly 1 in 4 pastors experience a forced termination at least once during their ministry.
    •Only 54% of pastors go back into full-time church related positions.

    Think we might have a problem Jonathan?
    70% of pastors are depressed or burnt out. Don't have a close friend. Hmmm?
    That's who is running the show. “Leadership?”
    That's who is abusing God's sheep.
    I have been both abused and the abuser. It’s not pretty.

    1600 pastors a month, that's 18,000 a year, leave or are pushed out. Wow!!!
    That's a lot of broken hearts, disappointments, feelings of failure, pain, abuse.

    Hmmm? Pastor, is this a “Title” or “position” in the scriptures?
    In the Bible, How many congregations are… led by a pastor?

    Once again, How do “you” reconcile leaders
    with “Jesus” telling His disciples “Not” to be called leader.
    And none did…

    Yes!!! Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus.

    In His Service. By His Grace.

  • http://www.baringroots.com Beth

    The missional structure/form of church is gaining momentum more and more. I find the struggle to be geographical at this point. Looking forward to 50 years from now if it's as you predict!

  • http://www.baringroots.com Beth

    The missional structure/form of church is gaining momentum more and more. I find the struggle to be geographical at this point. Looking forward to 50 years from now if it's as you predict!

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