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The Problem Of Ordination

I’m beginning to think that the issue of homosexuality in the church is having a rather different affect that it was supposed to.  What if the conversation is forcing us to reconsider the notion of ordination?

Yesterday I was reading a Twitter post (and I wish I could find it) that said, in essence, there were something like 130 prohibitions on heterosexual relations and 6 on homosexual relations. It made me really wonder if we’ve demonized a specific group in order to turn a blind eye towards our own brokenness.

And then today, Out Of Ur posted an article highlighting the decision of the Episcopal church to:

“remove any restrictions on the ordination of clergy in same-sex relationships.”

It was, naturally a provocative decision that challenged a historical idea that homosexuals could not be ordained.  They were the one group that could not pass muster.  The decision produced a strong reaction from the good Bishop of Durham, NT Wright.

“The appeal to justice as a way of cutting the ethical knot in favour of including active homosexuals in Christian ministry simply begs the question. Nobody has a right to be ordained: it is always a gift of sheer and unmerited grace. The appeal also seriously misrepresents the notion of justice itself, not just in the Christian tradition of Augustine, Aquinas and others, but in the wider philosophical discussion from Aristotle to John Rawls. Justice never means “treating everybody the same way”, but “treating people appropriately”, which involves making distinctions between different people and situations. Justice has never meant “the right to give active expression to any and every sexual desire”.

Any time we create a distinction, such as ordination, it must then pass the test of a threshold.  And ordination is going through that.  Homosexuals, which the broader church considers to be in active disregard for the concern for homo sexual relations, presents a unique scenario where someone is seeking out leadership of a community that would in some cases actively call it to corporately deny the very act it personally upholds or practices.

This situation is creating a unique problem. Does ordination require a specific level of commitment to a moral code of some sort?  Is there a threshold?  It’s an intriguing question.  Because if it does, ordination no longer becomes as Wright would suggest “a gift of sheer and unmerited grace.”  It becomes an act dependent on performance to a code.  It becomes something earned, a transaction based upon a specific set of actions.  I would then ask, do we want a threshold?  Do we want to create a threshold that is then applied back onto us?

My problem is this.  With the Great Commission, Jesus seemed to ordain those who we would least consider likely to be ordained.  He chose the average, the poor, the tax collector (equal in regard to today’s homosexuals), and the zealot.  He chose them all.  There was no threshold.  Jesus seemed to think that everyone could become part of the priesthood of all believers.  It was in participating with Jesus that changed their heart.  Jesus began with broken people, people who didn’t get it, people who were human beings, created in the image of God.

And I’m not talking about throwing away ordination.  I think the process has significant merit.  But in its current context, it requires a tremendous threshold to overcome.  Becoming a leader in the church is not based upon following Jesus and then stepping into the Great Commission, but upon a specific set of criteria that theoretically anyone could obtain through force of will.

What if we got back to the idea that anyone could become ordained, that anyone could become part of the priesthood of all believers?  What do you think?  And the moment you say no to homosexuals, which is a criteria based upon an act, you must then apply that criteria (that a single act could disqualify you) back on to yourself in other areas, ones that you are potentially hiding, or will commit in the future.

Interested in your thoughts.

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Jonathan BrinkI am an business development and communications consultant. I am also the senior editor and publisher for Civitas Press. I recently published, Discovering The God Imagination: Reconstructing A Whole, New Christianity. (Civitas, 2011)View all posts by Jonathan Brink →

  • mattmcgraw

    Hey Jonathan. Matt McGraw here. We've chatted in your comments a bit about “Thrive” and this and that. I am/was a seminary student and have thought about ordination in the Christian and Missionary Alliance. I have recently come to the decision that seminary is not for me. I'm not sure what I was thinking when I decided to start a grad school program. I am a piss-poor academic. I love to learn new things and can be a voracious reader, but I don't do well in the structure of modern American higher-education. I think that the subjects of ordination and seminary are linked or are at least similar. Jesus didn't call his disciples to leave fishing and join a rabbinical school; he simply said, “Follow me; and I will make you fishers of men”. There was no muster to pass or mark to achieve. There was only the call. I believe the Episcopal church did a good thing by lifting the ban on the ordination of homosexuals; I wish the Christian and Missionary Alliance would change it's position on the ordination of women. I believe that if God calls a person to ministry, that should be enough. So, I have to figure out how I'm going to live out my calling, my ministry; ordained or not. May God bless your readers as they discern how to live out their own callings.

    Grace and Peace,
    Matt

  • mattmcgraw

    Hey Jonathan. Matt McGraw here. We've chatted in your comments a bit about “Thrive” and this and that. I am/was a seminary student and have thought about ordination in the Christian and Missionary Alliance. I have recently come to the decision that seminary is not for me. I'm not sure what I was thinking when I decided to start a grad school program. I am a piss-poor academic. I love to learn new things and can be a voracious reader, but I don't do well in the structure of modern American higher-education. I think that the subjects of ordination and seminary are linked or are at least similar. Jesus didn't call his disciples to leave fishing and join a rabbinical school; he simply said, “Follow me; and I will make you fishers of men”. There was no muster to pass or mark to achieve. There was only the call. I believe the Episcopal church did a good thing by lifting the ban on the ordination of homosexuals; I wish the Christian and Missionary Alliance would change it's position on the ordination of women. I believe that if God calls a person to ministry, that should be enough. So, I have to figure out how I'm going to live out my calling, my ministry; ordained or not. May God bless your readers as they discern how to live out their own callings.

    Grace and Peace,
    Matt

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Much love in your journey Matt. Keep us posted on what you choose.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Much love in your journey Matt. Keep us posted on what you choose.

  • John

    The one point that you are missing is that Jesus called his disciples to leave everything behind and to follow him. Matthew left his tax collector's table and stopped collecting taxes. (See Luke 5:27-28.) Saul left the life of prosecuting Christians and followed Christ as Paul. We are all sinners, but we are all called to leave our sin behind. For someone to openly practice sin while at the same time pursuing leadership in the church is hypocrisy. This should be true whether the sin is heterosexual or homosexual. The problem lies in vilifying homosexual sins as we ignore heterosexual sins.

  • John

    The one point that you are missing is that Jesus called his disciples to leave everything behind and to follow him. Matthew left his tax collector's table and stopped collecting taxes. (See Luke 5:27-28.) Saul left the life of prosecuting Christians and followed Christ as Paul. We are all sinners, but we are all called to leave our sin behind. For someone to openly practice sin while at the same time pursuing leadership in the church is hypocrisy. This should be true whether the sin is heterosexual or homosexual. The problem lies in vilifying homosexual sins as we ignore heterosexual sins.

  • http://twitter.com/brokentapedeck brokentapedeck

    I think this may be the quote you were looking for-

    http://makeesha.com/post/142924914/the-bible-co…

  • http://twitter.com/brokentapedeck brokentapedeck

    I think this may be the quote you were looking for-

    http://makeesha.com/post/142924914/the-bible-co…

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    John, I would offer that I haven't missed that idea. In fact the problem of ordination reveals that we in general have missed the original idea of following Jesus and what it means. In creating structures that require little to no cost of following, we have in essence created structured that turns in on itself. And we get what is stated above.

    And I would ask if you are assuming that those who are heterosexual aren't openly, or even secretively, practicing sin? Homosexuality is testing that threshold of what is acceptable. That was the point I was making.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    John, I would offer that I haven't missed that idea. In fact the problem of ordination reveals that we in general have missed the original idea of following Jesus and what it means. In creating structures that require little to no cost of following, we have in essence created structured that turns in on itself. And we get what is stated above.

    And I would ask if you are assuming that those who are heterosexual aren't openly, or even secretively, practicing sin? Homosexuality is testing that threshold of what is acceptable. That was the point I was making.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Wow, it was worse than I thought. ;-P

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Wow, it was worse than I thought. ;-P

  • http://www.parablesofaprodigalworld.com Raffi Shahinian

    Kinda in line with John's comment, I gotta cite the good bishop again on this one: “Yes, God's (and Jesus') love finds us as we are, but it never leaves us as we are.”

    Grace and Peace,
    Raffi

  • http://www.parablesofaprodigalworld.com Raffi Shahinian

    Kinda in line with John's comment, I gotta cite the good bishop again on this one: “Yes, God's (and Jesus') love finds us as we are, but it never leaves us as we are.”

    Grace and Peace,
    Raffi

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Raffi, that's exactly my point. I know I'm skirting and pushing traditional bounds here but are we willing to put that on the line? Are we willing to go all the way with that and begin with the idea that someone could be a follower of Jesus and a homosexual, and allow the Spirit to do the work of changing what needs to be changed.

    And what if that person has not changed during the process like we want them to, to our specifications. Are we willing to empower them with the Great Commission and call them to go and do the same for others.

    My point was not to validate someone flaunting a lifestyle but to call out the broken structure of our ordination process and the structure that precedes it.

  • http://jonathanbrink.com Jonathan Brink

    Raffi, that's exactly my point. I know I'm skirting and pushing traditional bounds here but are we willing to put that on the line? Are we willing to go all the way with that and begin with the idea that someone could be a follower of Jesus and a homosexual, and allow the Spirit to do the work of changing what needs to be changed.

    And what if that person has not changed during the process like we want them to, to our specifications. Are we willing to empower them with the Great Commission and call them to go and do the same for others.

    My point was not to validate someone flaunting a lifestyle but to call out the broken structure of our ordination process and the structure that precedes it.

  • http://alshaw.blogspot.com alshaw

    I'm sorry to say that I think this is a rather confused post as it appears to mix together two seperate issues – 1) the priesthood of all believers and 2) the recognition of a person's gift and suitability for a leadership role within the church.

    Wright is correct in saying that Christian leadership is a “grace gift”. Unmerrited, undeserved. So far so good.

    “Ordination” is the recognition of that grace gift by those with authority to affirm it. In doing so, they must take into account the effect of grace not only on the person's abilities but also upon their life, chararacter and doctrine. This is why the apostle Paul urged Timothy to not be “hasty in the laying on hands” when appointing elders in local churches and why he insisted that such elders must be “above reproach”.

    Affirming a moral standard for leaders is not in any way to undermine the fact that leadershp is a grace gift. Rather, such a perspective magnifies God's grace by requiring us to focus on the fullness of its operation. When we see the grace of God enabling a sinner to overcome their sinful past and live a godly life, and when we see that moral character combined with pastoral, teaching or prophetic gifting, then the church can have confidence to affirm that here is a shepherd who has been given to the church by God's mercy and grace.

    Of course, all those who are “in Chrst” are part of the body of Christ and able to minster to God and to one another. But, as James puts it in his characterisically blunt style, “Let not many of you become teachers … knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.”

  • http://alshaw.blogspot.com alshaw

    I'm sorry to say that I think this is a rather confused post as it appears to mix together two seperate issues – 1) the priesthood of all believers and 2) the recognition of a person's gift and suitability for a leadership role within the church.

    Wright is correct in saying that Christian leadership is a “grace gift”. Unmerrited, undeserved. So far so good.

    “Ordination” is the recognition of that grace gift by those with authority to affirm it. In doing so, they must take into account the effect of grace not only on the person's abilities but also upon their life, chararacter and doctrine. This is why the apostle Paul urged Timothy to not be “hasty in the laying on hands” when appointing elders in local churches and why he insisted that such elders must be “above reproach”.

    Affirming a moral standard for leaders is not in any way to undermine the fact that leadershp is a grace gift. Rather, such a perspective magnifies God's grace by requiring us to focus on the fullness of its operation. When we see the grace of God enabling a sinner to overcome their sinful past and live a godly life, and when we see that moral character combined with pastoral, teaching or prophetic gifting, then the church can have confidence to affirm that here is a shepherd who has been given to the church by God's mercy and grace.

    Of course, all those who are “in Chrst” are part of the body of Christ and able to minster to God and to one another. But, as James puts it in his characterisically blunt style, “Let not many of you become teachers … knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.”

  • http://alshaw.blogspot.com alshaw

    I’m sorry to say that I think this is a rather confused post as it appears to mix together two seperate issues – 1) the priesthood of all believers and 2) the recognition of a person’s gift and suitability for a leadership role within the church.rnrnWright is correct in saying that Christian leadership is a “grace gift”. Unmerrited, undeserved. So far so good. rnrn”Ordination” is the recognition of that grace gift by those with authority to affirm it. In doing so, they must take into account the effect of grace not only on the person’s abilities but also upon their life, chararacter and doctrine. This is why the apostle Paul urged Timothy to not be “hasty in the laying on hands” when appointing elders in local churches and why he insisted that such elders must be “above reproach”.rnrnAffirming a moral standard for leaders is not in any way to undermine the fact that leadershp is a grace gift. Rather, such a perspective magnifies God’s grace by requiring us to focus on the fullness of its operation. When we see the grace of God enabling a sinner to overcome their sinful past and live a godly life, and when we see that moral character combined with pastoral, teaching or prophetic gifting, then the church can have confidence to affirm that here is a shepherd who has been given to the church by God’s mercy and grace. rnrnOf course, all those who are “in Chrst” are part of the body of Christ and able to minster to God and to one another. But, as James puts it in his characterisically blunt style, “Let not many of you become teachers … knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.”rn

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